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DocSouth

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Hey y'all,
Not to start a 500 vs. 870 debate...but...

I'm a 24 year old medical student, and for Christmas, I got my first gun,
an 870 Express.
My family all chipped in and bought me a new one for $350 at a Bass Pro.
I have the receipt and they told me that if I wanted a different gun, to go ahead and return it.
At this point, I was thinking 350 was a bit steep for an Express.

I would be using this primarily for HD, although when I had time, I'd like to go shoot skeet/targets/etc. I wouldn't mind springing money for an alternate long barrel when I get the chance to do just that.

What I'm asking is:
A.) Stick with the 350 dollar express
or can I find a
B.) Used 870 Police for ~350
or
C.) Mossberg 500

I was really leaning towards B.) but I don't know where I would begin looking for a used 870P, I have very little shotgun/gun experience, so I really don't know anywhere on the web I could look for competitive pricing. Top that all off with the fact that I just moved to Southern Florida, so I don't know any gun clubs around here; and the semester is just starting, so I don't have a lot of free time to driving all over even if I did.

Is an 870P in good condition even an option with my budget range?
I like the safety on the 870, as a left-hander with big hands (I'm about 6'4" so the 12 gauge is what I need) it really works well for me. I keep reading that the Express is an inferior weapon, and I don't want something that won't perform consistently well. I've got a wife I'll be leaving at home when I'm out on rotations.
I really appreciate y'alls help.
 
You didn't state what model Express... what barrel length does it currently have? Where exactly are you reading that the 870 Express is an inferior gun? Inferior compared to what?

As to your wife, do you even know that she can handle the 870 safely and accurately, or would she be better served with some type of handgun or rifle?

You can do it all with one shotgun, but you seldom can do everything well with one shotgun.

"Free internet advice... the most valuable kind"
The best shotgun in the whole world is one that's used on a regular basis. Instead of worrying about your current gun or your next guns intrensic value, you and your wife go out and shoot the thing until it's worn out. You'll both be better for it. ;)

Oooops, almost forgot. Welcome to TFL Doc!

Cheers,
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I feel that the price is higher than I like... Personally, I love the controls layout on the 500 far and above better than the 870.

If the 500 is less than the 870 (should be), the extra can go towards ammo...

For around that price, the 500 with a long barrel and HD shortie may be had...

But as a gift, if thought went into the purchase, I would likely keep the one they got me...

Brent
 
I love the controls layout on the 500 far and above better
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the 500 with a long barrel and HD shortie may be had
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Go get it , stop a Wal Mart in the glass case they have federal 12 ga. shells $4.67 a box. ( always clean a new or new to you gun before shooting it )


Go to the range and SHOOT it.
 
Thanks guys!
My wife was raised shooting, she has years of shotgun, pistol, and rifle experience. A real quality Southern gal. And she's a regular athlete and weightlifter, so the 12 gauge doesn't give her any problems. Unfortunately, all those guns belong to her father.
I'm a rifles guy, took a couple of courses in them through undergrad and I'm most familiar with them but I've done pistols and shotguns here and there. I'm by no means an expert. But I'm willing to learn.

I've been reading across the net not that the Express is a BAD gun, but simply inferior to the Police. Not as well refined, not the same level of care put into its production and inspection. The trigger guard is mold injected metal instead of solid aluminum. Larger magazine capacity.
Others have said that the Police is a more durable gun, but I haven't been able to validate that officially.
At 350 dollars, my folks and little brother expressed the same concern, but they were pressed for time, and Bass Pro was right down the road. Trust me when I say I approached this with much thought, because this is one of the nicest and most thoughtful gifts I've ever received.
The Express I have is currently equipped with a 28" barrel. If I kept it, I'd be switching out for a 20" or 18" unless I'm taking it out hunting or shooting.

I plan on practicing with it as much as possible, don't worry about that Creeper. I'm a cautious man by nature, and practice makes perfect.

My main concern, after doing as much research on my own, was the price of the gun, and if I might get a better deal or firearm elsewhere, or if Bass Pro was my best bet.

Thank y'all for the response and the warm welcome!
 
Use it, you can get a..

slug barrel for it or a 24" to use choke tubes.

Assumiing it has a 28" barrel with tubes, you can use it for regular trap with modified choke or the 24" with Skeet or IC for skeet shooting.

Clay seems to like the 26" with a IC or MOD choke for the various presentation of the clays.
 
Your welcome!
As for slug barrel, the smoothbore would be my choice. But a regular cheap short 18.5-22 would suffice. For a 'berg, they run right at a hundred bucks. They often have a combo with 28 and a shorter barrel. It will be an HD, turkey or slug barrel so look close.

The most common complaint I see in the express is rough chamber and non polished steel, then blued making them more prone to rust.

FWIW, The Maverick 88 is basically a 500 with crossbolt safety rather than top of tang. I am pretty sure the combo on that gun is less than that express you got...
Brent
 
I'm about 6'4" so the 12 gauge is what I need
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One has nothing to do with the other - get a 12 because you want it, it offers loadings you want or need, not because it is just a 12. (The same holds true when folks think they need to get a wife/GF a 20).

12 gauge is more versatile - more ammunition types for many purposes. It can be loaded as light as a 20 or 28 easier then they can be loaded up like a 12. It is more popular for HD, waterfowl hunting, turkey and deer hunting, sporting clays, trap, and other uses, making it a great choice - all of which have nothing to do with someone's size.

Get what feels right, and fits - then go out and shoot a lot; and when you're done, buy more ammunition and shoot some more
 
Thank you,
What I was attempting to say was that I'm not a little person, so the 12 gauge is not problematic. i.e. I'm not an 11 year-old with his 20 gauge.

As you can see though, I'm not a gun expert, so I'm trying to learn here. Any other advice y'all have and I'm all for it.

I'm looking for a solid gun that will last for a long long time and if the Express can handle that, I'll stick with it. I just want to make sure I'm getting a good dependable piece with the best value for my dollar. Versatility is a great thing, because Med school is expensive and money is tight, I'd like a gun that can do a lot of things decently/well.

In the mean time, I'll head out to Wal-Mart this week, and see if they have some I can hold, y'alls advice on finding one that best fits me seems particularly intelligent, and I feel kind of dumb for not doing that sooner. I just knew I liked the 870's safety and feel as whole and I settled on it, never even tried out the Mossberg.

Any more advice is more than welcome.
 
i would just keep what you have. all the various 870 models have the same basic parts. what makes them different from each other is the barrels, the stocks, the magazine capacities, the finish etc...

if yours has a long barrel, invest in a shorter one for hd. you can have a long one for hd, but a 20'' or 18" is ideal.

i love the mossberg 500, but as long as you know your way around your 870 well you shouldn't have any problems. there is not true "which is better", its all just a matter of preference. i would suggest taking it to a shooting range and firing several hundred rounds through it to get it broken in and to get to know it well.
 
If you keep the express, polishing the chamber is a very easy task to under take...

The reason I like the controls layout on a 500 is I can have the gun in full mount and operate the safety and slide release without letting go with either hand... Actually I can operate both with my trigger hand while in any position without letting go.

But to each his own and both are a very venerable platform for a reliable hunting or defensive arm... not the finest clay sports guns but both will bring home the bacon!
Brent
 
Thanks guys.
Assuming I do keep the express, is there a specific place I can buy a short barrel for cheap?
How would I go about learning to polish the chamber hogs?

I'm willing to learn, but help would be appreciated.
 
It is all over this section but most suggest 0000 steel wool on a bore brush... One length of cleaning rod chucked into a drill a few minutes later and it will be as fine as frogs hair.:D
Brent
 
Brent,
Thanks for the help man. I appreciate the advice and the help.
As well as everyone else.
Any further input and that would be great. I won't be making a permanent decision for a week or two, depending on class-load. So if anyone has input I'd love to hear it.
 
and if you use look in pawn shops, you can probably find a used barrel for less than new.

Fit is important. Pumps are inexpensive and do a lot of things decently. IMO, they do not do some things as well as other more task-specific guns, but they can do the job.

Example - shooting trap, skeet or sporting clays - yes, a pump CAN be used, but you don't see the winners using one - they're using an O/U or semi. Yes you CAN use one for waterfowl, but you usually see a semi. But for a first gun to get started, a pump is hard to beat.
 
Thanks guys.

Is there a site for me to learn basics? Cleaning, storage, upkeep, etc.?

Further down the road, if I wanted to add a magazine extension or something?


Also, someone noted earlier that the magazine of the 870 is attached to the gun as a whole, so if it is damaged, the gun is scrap. Did I understand that correctly? Is this a frequent problem?
 
Learning the basics: Here (TheFiringLine) and shotgunworld.com are great places to start and ask lots of questions. Also, ask your father-in-law to show you some of the maintenance basics. Since he was thoughtful enough to teach his daughter to shoot, I'm sure he will be more than happy to share his wisdom with you. Really though, if you already familiar with maintaining a rifle, a shotgun isn't so different. Your learning curve will be short.
 
BTW, your gun does need a *full tear down* and deep cleaning before use...

*NEVER TEAR DOWN THE ACTUAL TRIGGER GROUP UNLESS YOU ARE A PRO!!!*
All it needs is sprayed out with a gun spray and shook out followed by a drop of oil on obvious moving parts... And if you accidentally pu;ll the trigger, it needs reset to reassemble;)
Brent
 
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