Hawaii wants to abolish Second Amendment.

The story says they want the consideration of abolishing or changing the interpretation. It doesn’t say they are abolishing it in Hawaii. As far as their tough laws, that is a failure of Federal courts, Congress and the President to act against state laws.
 
It simply says that they wish for Congress to take up legislation to repeal or revise the Second Amendment, which Congress certainly has the power to do, although the bar is very high — 2/3 of both houses of Congress and 3/4 of state legislatures.

Hawaii does not have the power to do any such thing unilaterally, and the link doesn’t suggest that they do. There’s nothing complicated or underhanded about any of this; it’s how our system of government is supposed to function.
 
About every congressional session for the last few decades, a bill has been submitted to abolish the 2nd Amendment. I don't think it's ever made it to a floor vote.

Politicians in Hawaii (or anywhere else) can say anything they want. They can ask for anything they want. What they get is another matter.
 
I think we should start shipping all these asylum seekers out to Hawaii where the weather is nice and they can live on the beaches until their cases are heard and they are granted their asylum. Got to be safer for them than leaving them in Mexico where there is no 2nd Amendment protections.
 
Chang’s measure, which has four co-sponsors, would request Washington discuss either scrapping the Second Amendment altogether or clarifying that it only applies to organizations such as state militias.
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Chang won election against the only Republican in the state senate. Chang and his co-sponsors are pandering to their anti-gun political base.
 
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About every congressional session for the last few decades, a bill has been submitted to abolish the 2nd Amendment. I don't think it's ever made it to a floor vote.

Politicians in Hawaii (or anywhere else) can say anything they want. They can ask for anything they want. What they get is another matter.
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'About'...is right.
Former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens called Tuesday for a repeal of the Second Amendment(March 2018). It's an extreme position that no federal lawmaker has supported in the wake of the Parkland shooting, a tragedy that has galvanized a new generation of gun-control proponents.
The last time a member of Congress advocated this approach was in the early '90s when Rep. Major Owens, a six-term congressman from New York, introduced a resolution to repeal the Second Amendment. It's an effort that has gone largely unnoticed, and yet, as we’ve come to realize in the Trump era, history can rhyme and build on itself in fascinating and telling ways.
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Chang won election against the only Republican in the state senate. Chang and his co-sponsors are pandering to their anti-gun political base.
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Yes, it’s a purely political gesture. That should be obvious enough to everyone.

Stunts to actually restrict Constitutional rights — rather than expand them — are relatively rare, but not unheard of. In the ‘90s and 2000s, Republicans in Congress relentlessly pursued the "Flag Desecration Amendment," which was specifically drafted to restrict the First Amendment. The slope is indeed slippery.
 
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Not only is it a stunt to pander to voters; but it is a stunt that actually hurts those voters chances of getting any kind of gun control by creating backlash amongst voters who disagree and reinforcing their not-unfounded belief that the goal of gun control is elimination of civilian ownership in its entirety.

It is like politicians on both sides are adopting clickbait culture without any concern for the real world consequences. Of course, he may really believe. I watched a Washington state politician segue from “nobody wants to take your guns” to “of course, no civilian should be able to own guns” in about 60 seconds and without any apparent self-realization that he was saying two contradictory things.
 
I live in Hawaii... for now. Just like in most states, the one or two large metropolitan areas dominate the politics. The state is entirely blue and Honolulu politics are just as inbred and ugly as Chicago.

There is a strong gun-owning and absurdly strong hunting culture in Hawaii. Hunting and fishing are a way of life here like nowhere else I've ever been. In Honolulu, it's not political suicide to be anti-gun... but just about everywhere else in the state, and especially so when you leave Oahu, it is. Shootz, you can still own "assault rifles" here. Granted, there's no carry, no Class-3 and the licensing/registration scheme is everything on the anti wish-list short of an actual psych exam, but you can still own some fun stuff and I don't see that changing anytime soon. You've got a few politicians who are going to say the things they need to say to move up in the party, but I doubt that you're going to see anybody push harder than simple rhetoric... the locals just won't stand for it.

Stanley Chang is a Harvard Lawyer who has moved his way up in Hawaii politics... first as a City Councilman, now as a State Senator. If he follows any kind of playbook, he'll might be the State Attorney General next. This gesture is nothing more than to show the DNC that he can be a player.
 
I live in Hawaii... for now. Just like in most states, the one or two large metropolitan areas dominate the politics. The state is entirely blue and Honolulu politics are just as inbred and ugly as Chicago.

There is a strong gun-owning and absurdly strong hunting culture in Hawaii. Hunting and fishing are a way of life here like nowhere else I've ever been. In Honolulu, it's not political suicide to be anti-gun... but just about everywhere else in the state, and especially so when you leave Oahu, it is. Shootz, you can still own "assault rifles" here. Granted, there's no carry, no Class-3 and the licensing/registration scheme is everything on the anti wish-list short of an actual psych exam, but you can still own some fun stuff and I don't see that changing anytime soon. You've got a few politicians who are going to say the things they need to say to move up in the party, but I doubt that you're going to see anybody push harder than simple rhetoric... the locals just won't stand for it.

Stanley Chang is a Harvard Lawyer who has moved his way up in Hawaii politics... first as a City Councilman, now as a State Senator. If he follows any kind of playbook, he'll might be the State Attorney General next. This gesture is nothing more than to show the DNC that he can be a player.
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Living in Hawaii... damned if I don't feel like a criminal just to get permission from the gov't to buy a gun.
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So where are you in Hawaii? Are you in Maui? My grandparents lived in Oahu so I've been there many times. The last time I was in Honolulu I did see some nice gun ranges. I was once in Maui, its beautiful there.
 
I believe recent posters may have mixed up what The People
believe to be in their rightful interests, and what the evolved
Political Class have in store for them.

Check-6 . . . .
 
Check-6. . . .

Not confused at all. Disgusted maybe, confused, NO.

Hawaii is completely isolated from the influx of people to our southern border yet they feel free to comment and judge. Those poor misguided people trying to come here are victimized on both sides of the border.

I think I have a better chance of Open Carry in downtown Chicago than Hawaii does of abolishing the 2nd.
 
"A tourism boycott seems to be in order here."

This is happening everywhere, or has no one noticed? The Leftists are pushing their anti-gun agenda in every state legislature. For them, it's a good strategy - eventually, I fear it will work. The truth is that we as American gun owners, are not pushing back enough.

The Left can put together things like marches, occupy wallstreet, gay pride parades, etc.
We NRA members, GOA members, and gun owners can't seem to muster up the numbers for these kinds of protest rallies that might make a difference.
 
As I said earlier . . . Check-6

What you think is 2A support 2Big2Fail, is just an 18th Amendment
away from waking up to blearingly mumble . . "what happened?"
 
Can we not go down the 'leftists' are coming trail again. One failure of the RKBA advocates is noninclusive stereotyping like that.

Or else we have the point of this thread and it can be over.
 
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