Hate Crime.

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Should the seven charged in the plot to to kill as many devils as possible, also be charged with hate crimes?

The media elites are already scrambling to minimalize the story.

Indianapolis Star- Tower threats are NOTHING NEW.

Los Angeles Times- FBI says 7 terror suspects were MOSTLY TALK.

Toronto Star- 7 charged in ALLEGED us terror plot.

I know they weren't high leval ranking terrorists, but come on.

Will the liberal media and the left in general hold these men responsible for conspiring to commit hateful acts?
 
I don't really care what the media thinks. If they are guilty, then they will be punished. No matter what is printed in the media.... and if they actually were 'mostly talk' then cudos to the FBI and NSA for hunting them down!
 
I just wonder.... At what point does talk send you to jail, or execution? And who decides, in the long run, just where that line is?

It seems to me what happened here was members of many islamic groups were contacted by an FBI agent who offered them material support, specifically 50k in cash among other things, to support the "jihad". Well these jokers were dumb enough to take the bait, and now they go to jail.

I also hear quite a bit of "they were trying to start their own army". Well I know and respect member of "militias" (the ones that allow members of all races anyway) who the same thing could be said about. Are they dangerous? Less so then standing federal armies IMHO. Or warrentless wiretapping, ect.

The bottom line is, how scared is the American Public, and how many civil liberties are they willing to give up permantly in order to imagine the government can somehow protect them? See my tag line for one take on this very old problem.

Neo-cons, flame away.
 
carbiner said:
Should the seven charged in the plot to to kill as many devils as possible, also be charged with hate crimes?
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IMO, No.

"Hate crime" laws are pointless. They are an attempt to punish criminals for what they are thinking rather than for what they are doing. Our criminal justice system makes people take responsibility for their actions. When we begin to make people take responsibility for their thoughts, we've entered a completely different realm.

-Dave
 
I'm prone to agree with TBM. Unless they have actually broken some sort of law, then their thoughts and related conversations on the matter really have no bearing. When thought becomes a crime in America, well, I can just picture in my mind the Founding Fathers rolling over in their graves. Even if that thought happens to be one of hate.

My thoughts on hate crimes are that the motivation for a crime is really immaterial in light of punishment -- be it hate, greed, or whatever. Meditation on commiting a crime is not and should not be a crime in and of itself. But I can see where premedition of a crime that was actually committed is something that should be taken into account in determining punishment. What the nature of that premeditation happened to be about (like, was it hate of whatever variety) is immaterial. It was premeditated or it wasn't.
 
a little off topic here, but don't I remember a couple years back, someone appealing the 'hate crime' laws and winning? Anyway, if they were conspiring to do any harm to anything, then they are already guilty of a crime and should be punished, regardless of their motivation.
 
The left holding someone resposible for their actions? You were born and raised in America right? No, they will minimalize the story and blame society, video games, rap music, the illuminati and Winney the Pooh; but never the people who actualy did it. And everyone knows that hate crimes can only be commited buy white peole against the disenfrancised masses:barf: . Seriously, I have a hard enough time getting up before noon, let alone all the work it takes to keep entire races down.
 
carbiner,

in all honesty, you need to bump the record player...the needle is stuck. If I had a buck for every time I've read the term "liberal media" in your posts, I could probably pay off my minivan in cash.

Give it a rest, OK? You're preaching to the choir when it comes to the resident Conservatives, and you're not likely to convert the resident skeptics. It's getting a bit old.
 
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