Hanoi Jane

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Ya know, I think Viet Nam was as unconstitutional as it gets. Had I been alive, I would have dodged the draft on that basis alone. If it aint important enough for congress to declare war, then I aint shedding blood over it, nor will I watch my buddy shed his. (Of course I'm a Gulf-War hippocrite, but I was a little ignorant then) I definately wouldn't have protested though, except protest the sorry politicians who got us there, and I still hope to live to see the day I can dig up Jane's flowers, and pee on her grave. What she did was kick people when they're down, and I can't abide that for anybody. Fact is that most protesters were cowards, and weren't protesting for any reason other than to display pride in being a coward, and to maybe get laid at the rallies.
 
There is protest, and then there is protest. Jane appeared with the NVA in propaganda photos. She gave aid and comfort to the enemy not to our men.

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In the shadow of Bunker Hill from the People's Republic of Massachusetts
 
All I want to know is why she was let back into the United States. If she loved the North Vietnamese so much she should have just moved in with them.
 
sensop:
The link worked for me.
Take care. :)

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"Lead, follow or get the HELL out of the way."
 
Funny this should be brought up. Received the following email just a couple of days ago.

<email quote begin>
This was sent to me and I thought it worth passing on.

Subject: Interesting viewpoint on "Women of the Century".. worth
reading.

Many of us over 50 remember that during the Viet Nam war Jane
Fonda opposed the war, as many others, but she went to Viet Nam and
embarrassed the U.S. Government and the prisoners of war by her
actions. Many of these actions are spelled out below. It is
appalling that her actions have been forgotten and that she may be
honored as one of the "100 Women of the Century." The text that
follows was sent to me, and I believe it needs disbursing.

Subject: HANOI JANE

Looks like Hanoi Jane may be honored as one of the "100 Women of
the Century". JANE FONDA remembered? Unfortunately many have
forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda
betrayed not only the idea of our "country" but the men
who served and sacrificed during Vietnam.

There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but
Jane Fonda's participation in what I believe to be blatant treason,
is one of them.
Part of my conviction comes from exposure to those who suffered
her attentions.
The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is
Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1978, the Commandant of the USAF
Survival School was a former POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton".
Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed
in clean PJs, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American
"Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd
received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away. During
the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp Commandant's
feet, accidentally pulling the man's shoe off-which sent that officer
berserk. In '78, the AF Col. still suffered from double vision (which
permanently ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese Col.'s
frenzied application of a wooden baton.

From 1983-85, Col. Larry Carrigan was the 47FW/DO (F-4Es). He
spent 6 years in the "Hilton"-the first three of which he was
"missing in action". His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group,
too, got the cleaned/fed/clothed routine in preparation for a "peace
delegation" visit. They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word
to the world that they still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper,
with his SSN on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms.
Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's
hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you
Sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane
treatment from your benevolent captors?" Believing this HAD to be an act,
they each palmed her their sliver of paper. She took them all without
missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera
stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to
the officer in charge... and handed him the little pile. Three men died
from the subsequent beatings. Col. Carrigan was almost number four.

To whom it may concern:
I was a civilian economic development advisor in Viet Nam, and was
captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Viet Nam in
1968, and held for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary
confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a
"black box" in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned
and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in
Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the
Cambodian border. At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs.
(My normal weight is 170 lbs.) We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."
When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political
officer if I would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I said yes, for I
would like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs were receiving,
which was far different from the treatment purported by the North
Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as "humane and lenient."
Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees
with outstretched arms with a piece of steel placed on my hands, and
beaten with a bamboo cane every time my arms dipped. I had the
opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after I was
released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV.
She did not answer me, her former husband, Tom Hayden, answered for
her.

This does not exemplify someone who should be honored as "100
years of Great Women."
Please take the time to read and forward to as many people as you
possibly can. It will eventually end up on her computer and she
needs to know that "we will never forget". Lest we forget..."100 years of
great women"

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Please copy and paste and email to anyone you know.
Bill
 
KLM

I do not normally get involved with discussions of VN, nor of jane …..

However…… as someone who did go to VN the two issues you bring up have always been sore spots with me…..

The first one is jane …..I have no love in my heart for her, not because of the obvious propaganda that she provided to the enemy and that I will not present now….

The other is the comments about the draft dodgers…..

My family has historically been a family of conscientious objectors (we are members of the Society of Friends), but I must point out that we also have a very, very long line of military service (go figure)… now having said that, I get to the point…

I have brothers and cousins who were draft objectors….

Note that I did not say dodgers….

That is because they all registered as was required when they turned 18, they then were drafted and they then refused to be inducted. And yes, they served time in jail and were released. A couple of them only served about 30 days before the courts allowed them out but two of them spent more than three years in jail and then on probation……

Myself and two other brothers joined as we were from a different branch of the family, one on Korea on the DMZ as a Vulcan cannoneer and one in Thailand as a cargo master, and me in VN as ABN.

BUT… to those that ran to Canada & Europe rather than face the possible jail time …. Well… lets just say that even the pardon given by Jimmy Carter has not quelled the anger & heartache that their families have endured over the years for their action….Part of their families will never forgive them…. Others have already… as time heals all wounds…..

I, also have friends that went on to college when I went into the service…. Those that protested, burnt their draft cards…. But I cannot call them cowards…… because every one of them served when the chips were down…..they did not like it…. But they served….

To face up to the (government) and to stand your ground as it pertains to your beliefs is what courage and mettle are all about…..

So , in ending, all I can add is…. The janes of the world and those that protest without taking responsibility for the reason WHY they protest……..Pity them, they have no courage, no honor and will never know what those words mean until they face up to what they did…..
 
The United States Government should have tried her for treason, aiding and abedding
the enemy, and etc; then after the guilty
verdict was read, burned that BITCH at the
stake!!! :) Hell NO, I won't forget!!! :mad:

Respectfully,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
jeffelkins,
Now that she found Him, I hope she gets to meet Him face to face. There will be many young faces standing behind Him asking her "Why?" Her act of treason makes Arnold's pale in comparison. At least Arnold had a reason beyond vanity. I've mellowed my belief that she should hang. I would prefer her to serve a long sentance in a VA hospital, where she could appreciate the fruits of her lark.
 
Regarding hj and protesters- I'm a live and let live kind of person but there are three names that I will not dignify by speaking them or allow them to be spoken in my house- hers and the two evil pieces of filth that perpetrated the Columbine massacre. As far as protesters go, I was discharged in 68 and went to college that fall, the guys I hung out with were mostly all vets and we made it pretty well known that we wouldn't stand for that crap in our AO, on moratorium day we all wore our fatigues. Back then I felt that the protesters were protesting me- today I wish that there had been more of them, maybe the Wall would be shorter.
 
A few years ago I was at a large gun show. Standing in front of long procession of gun tables of an obvious large man in girth and prosperity. He was talking with others about the noble Ted Turnner of television network fame and fortune. They were extremely impressed with all the wealth he had amassed in his life time, that and his fine noble character. I couldn't help myself, I asked those gentlemen...If Turnner is so noble and great...why did he marry Hanoi Jane. They became very quiet, looking sheepish at each other...like who's going to answer this fellow. No one did. I told them she was a freakin traitor giving aid and comfort to the enemy, our guys suffering and dying while she struts around with said enemy.

I have nothing against Turnner, but he has poor taste in women.
 
Words alone cannot adequately express my feelings for Ms. Fonda. Surely there must be a special location in Hell already allocated for her. Funny thing, her treason is now thirty years past and it doesn't change a thing.

Ala Dan: As ususl, we completely agree. To this day, I'd pay big bucks to light that fire.

[This message has been edited by RWK (edited June 17, 2000).]
 
James E: My wife spent a fair amount of time with the first Mrs. Ted Turner. Nice lady; shabbily treated.

Quien sabe? Maybe he was thinking he'd have him a trophy wife, and his money could insulate them from the real world...

Regards, Art
 
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