sabrefanpc
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She is doing a 60 Minutes interview on how she now realizes that she betrayed US troops by going to the North Korean firebase. Any thoughts?
Hanoi Jane
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TheeBadOne
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Hmm -- is she finally getting a clue, or has she been listening to a publicist? I'd welcome the former, but from what I have come to understand that is not all that likely. I'd be more willing to believe the latter. I just can't see that particular leopard changing her spots. Camoflaging them? Yes. Changing them? Nope. Same thing about Hillary!'s seeming change of heart -- nope, I don't believe it for one little bitty second.
Shooter 973
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Hanoi Jane!!!
I'm sorry but an apology some 30+ years late just doesn't make it for me. She'll have to do a lot more than that to get off my " Feces Roster"!!! Way to Little, Way to Late!!! :barf:
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I'm sorry but an apology some 30+ years late just doesn't make it for me. She'll have to do a lot more than that to get off my " Feces Roster"!!! Way to Little, Way to Late!!! :barf:
:barf:sabrefanpc
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Oops, typo. Vietnam. I'm just curious why now? I mean, shes had plenty of time to apologize...
Jane's a joke........
I think a few might find it in their heart to forgive and forget......a very few.... I think her best move would be to shut her mouth about the whole thing. She is a fake and 30 years to get real and say she is sorry is TOO LATE.... Thousands of brave and patriotic Vietnam Veterans that came home waited for her appology and many have died.... She makes me :barf:
Why should we give her enough time to even write about her.... She is one of a few citizens I don't consider American. She is lost in her own little world.... I wonder what motivates her - another try at being a movie star?
:barf: X 1,000,000 = Jane.....
Nope you guessed it - I don't care for her at all....
I think a few might find it in their heart to forgive and forget......a very few.... I think her best move would be to shut her mouth about the whole thing. She is a fake and 30 years to get real and say she is sorry is TOO LATE.... Thousands of brave and patriotic Vietnam Veterans that came home waited for her appology and many have died.... She makes me :barf:
Why should we give her enough time to even write about her.... She is one of a few citizens I don't consider American. She is lost in her own little world.... I wonder what motivates her - another try at being a movie star?
:barf: X 1,000,000 = Jane.....
Nope you guessed it - I don't care for her at all....
TheBluesMan
Moderator Emeritus
RWK - Your attachment showing Kerry and Fonda is a fake. It was debunked months ago.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry2.asp
Doesn't change the fact that they are both traitors, though...
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry2.asp
Doesn't change the fact that they are both traitors, though...
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Back in the early 80's, a friend of mine still on active duty for Uncle Sam's Airlines, myself, and our ladies had taken a recently retired friend, a Master Sergeant , out to his "first civilian dinner" at a swanky restaurant near Long Beach. As we were leaving, Hanoi Jane and her self-important hubby (and fellow N.Vietnam traitor) Tom "Chicago-7" Hayden were trying to get a table (apparently without reservations). We heard her say in a clear voice, "I can't believe you treat famous people like this... like someone average."
Master Sgt. C------ walked past her and displayed a heretofore unrealized proficiency in French by saying Mourir! Tu chienne traître! 1
Fonda speaks French from her time living in France with Roger Vadim.
Her treasonous acts were bad enough. Worse is that no one ever brought her up on charges for that or sedition (probably so as not to shame Henry Fonda). Sickening is that for 30 years after that she not only refused to acknowledge her grave error, but continued to insist that she was "above" all of us "average" people. You know... like the ones who were drafted.
Personally, I think she's a waste of oxygen.
1 Die! You treasonous bit-h!*
*my French is very rusty. I hope I got that right.
Master Sgt. C------ walked past her and displayed a heretofore unrealized proficiency in French by saying Mourir! Tu chienne traître! 1
Fonda speaks French from her time living in France with Roger Vadim.
Her treasonous acts were bad enough. Worse is that no one ever brought her up on charges for that or sedition (probably so as not to shame Henry Fonda). Sickening is that for 30 years after that she not only refused to acknowledge her grave error, but continued to insist that she was "above" all of us "average" people. You know... like the ones who were drafted.
Personally, I think she's a waste of oxygen.
1 Die! You treasonous bit-h!*
*my French is very rusty. I hope I got that right.
Fred Hansen
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Because as she approaches old age she probably sees her own mortality before her... not many people people get past that little revelation without wishing to make amends for past misdeeds.
I'll let Mr. Lyle Lovett speak for me with regard to my feelings about that traitor...
"So who says he'll forgive you
And says that he'll miss you
And dream of your sweet memory
God does
But I don't
God will
But I won't
And that's the difference
Between God and me"
"God Will" from the album "Lyle Lovett"
And says that he'll miss you
And dream of your sweet memory
God does
But I don't
God will
But I won't
And that's the difference
Between God and me"
"God Will" from the album "Lyle Lovett"
IZinterrogator
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Actually, when I read about this on the web (I think it was CNN, but I can't remember), she was only apologizing for posing with the AAA piece. She still thinks that going in the first place was okay, she thinks making radio broadcasts was okay, and she thinks that visiting the POWs was okay, even though she betrayed them by handing over the note they had tried to get her to pass on to the folks back home. Decorum, self-restraint, and forum rules prevent me from saying what I really think of her. :barf:
:barf:riverkeeper
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I do not know. But I do understand...
I served 30 with the military and have personally killed far far more than my share of the 3+ million killed during the Viet Nam War. A friend from college, an in-law and several military friends and associates were killed there. Some of you served in that war and in the military and you have more than earned your right to disagree with me and most of you will. I salute you too for responding when our country asked.
Jane Fonda went to Hanoi and by doing so gave evidence of the truth that many Americans did not agree with the war and brought attention to that IN the US and around the world. She helped to energize domestic and foreign resistance to the war which was ultimately ended when the American public rightfully became suspicious of its purpose and tired of its cost. A few years later the Pentagon Papers revealed the historic geo-political-military nature of our prurient interest in the area. But the bogus fear of falling dominoes had sold that war to us as WMD’s did for another a few years ago.
By going did she extend the war and cost more lives or shorten the war and save lives? I do not know. But I do understand that she was passionate, idealistic, young and willing to risk the hate of her country which was realized.
I also believe that under the circumstances she was wrong to go and do what she did …. So does she. I forgive her. Far worse was done during that war by others on all sides.
I served 30 with the military and have personally killed far far more than my share of the 3+ million killed during the Viet Nam War. A friend from college, an in-law and several military friends and associates were killed there. Some of you served in that war and in the military and you have more than earned your right to disagree with me and most of you will. I salute you too for responding when our country asked.
Jane Fonda went to Hanoi and by doing so gave evidence of the truth that many Americans did not agree with the war and brought attention to that IN the US and around the world. She helped to energize domestic and foreign resistance to the war which was ultimately ended when the American public rightfully became suspicious of its purpose and tired of its cost. A few years later the Pentagon Papers revealed the historic geo-political-military nature of our prurient interest in the area. But the bogus fear of falling dominoes had sold that war to us as WMD’s did for another a few years ago.
By going did she extend the war and cost more lives or shorten the war and save lives? I do not know. But I do understand that she was passionate, idealistic, young and willing to risk the hate of her country which was realized.
I also believe that under the circumstances she was wrong to go and do what she did …. So does she. I forgive her. Far worse was done during that war by others on all sides.
TheeBadOne
Moderator
Jane Fonda wants to start acting again, and this is her desperate attempt to get come publicity generated and spring her back up to big paydays. :barf:
Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden, et al...
As an American, it was well within her right to protest the war.
But when she (and others) secretly met with the enemy in Paris; When she (and others) went to North Vietnam, she gave aid and comfort to the enemy. That is one of the constitutional definitions of Treason.
Because of high profile people like her, the North Vietnamese gained the hope of actually wining the war. It extended the war and brought us many more casualties than there would have been.
I will think about forgiving Jane, when she stands before a court of law to answer the charge of Treason.
As an American, it was well within her right to protest the war.
But when she (and others) secretly met with the enemy in Paris; When she (and others) went to North Vietnam, she gave aid and comfort to the enemy. That is one of the constitutional definitions of Treason.
Because of high profile people like her, the North Vietnamese gained the hope of actually wining the war. It extended the war and brought us many more casualties than there would have been.
I will think about forgiving Jane, when she stands before a court of law to answer the charge of Treason.
For Riverkeeper, with respect . . .
Your excellent, thoughtful post deserves consideration and a respectfully response. Before doing so, let me, first, sincerely thank you for your long-term service to our nation. I, too, am retired, regular military; accordingly, notwithstanding any differences we may have re Ms. Fonda, I am certain we share many common values and experiences.
Now, with regard to Ms. Fonda:
a) I believe her North Vietnamese trip was pure self-indulgence and Hollywood opportunism (what “star” doesn’t want publicity and headlines?). Much more important, it was also treasonous, since it clearly gave “aid and comfort” to the enemy and badly hurt our troops in Southeast Asia – most particularly our POWs.
b) Without defending the our appallingly flawed policies and decision-making – I loathe McNamara and LBJ even more than “Hanoi Jane” – I do not feel the war’s conduct was altered in the least by Fonda’s visit to North Vietnam (or any of her other anti-war activities). The senior leadership in both the PRV and the USA had far too much at stake to permit publicity stunts to influence their fundamental decisions. Further, I believe our domestic anti-war movement was not significantly enlarged (or even made more vocal) by Ms. Fonda; those opposed to the war – many with sincerity and with sound reasons – had far greater grounds for their resistance than Ms. Fonda’s actions.
c) Finally – and this is the crux of my hatred for Ms. Fonda and also why I believe her actions were unquestionably treasonous – every reasonable individual knew (or clearly should have known) that any US citizen’s visit to North Vietnam would be exploited by the Communist government for propaganda purposes. One did not have to be a “public figure” (like Jane Fonda) for this to be a certainty. Part of that exploitation was the TORTURE of POWs, incident to Ms. Fonda’s trip, in an unsuccessful effort to obtain anti-war statements from these captured warriors. I spent a year (’85 – ’86) attending senior war college at Fort McNair; during that time, I met several POWs who told me they were tortured due to Ms. Fonda’s visit (one has never regained the full use of his arm). I respectfully suggest that Ms. Fonda could – and should – have foreseen this precise type of exploitation and, therefore, not have traveled to North Vietnam. However, she opted to enhance her own fame and “new left” reputation, at the cost of our POWs’ well-being. In my opinion, that is an unmistakably treasonous act.
With best regards – Roy Kiefer
Your excellent, thoughtful post deserves consideration and a respectfully response. Before doing so, let me, first, sincerely thank you for your long-term service to our nation. I, too, am retired, regular military; accordingly, notwithstanding any differences we may have re Ms. Fonda, I am certain we share many common values and experiences.
Now, with regard to Ms. Fonda:
a) I believe her North Vietnamese trip was pure self-indulgence and Hollywood opportunism (what “star” doesn’t want publicity and headlines?). Much more important, it was also treasonous, since it clearly gave “aid and comfort” to the enemy and badly hurt our troops in Southeast Asia – most particularly our POWs.
b) Without defending the our appallingly flawed policies and decision-making – I loathe McNamara and LBJ even more than “Hanoi Jane” – I do not feel the war’s conduct was altered in the least by Fonda’s visit to North Vietnam (or any of her other anti-war activities). The senior leadership in both the PRV and the USA had far too much at stake to permit publicity stunts to influence their fundamental decisions. Further, I believe our domestic anti-war movement was not significantly enlarged (or even made more vocal) by Ms. Fonda; those opposed to the war – many with sincerity and with sound reasons – had far greater grounds for their resistance than Ms. Fonda’s actions.
c) Finally – and this is the crux of my hatred for Ms. Fonda and also why I believe her actions were unquestionably treasonous – every reasonable individual knew (or clearly should have known) that any US citizen’s visit to North Vietnam would be exploited by the Communist government for propaganda purposes. One did not have to be a “public figure” (like Jane Fonda) for this to be a certainty. Part of that exploitation was the TORTURE of POWs, incident to Ms. Fonda’s trip, in an unsuccessful effort to obtain anti-war statements from these captured warriors. I spent a year (’85 – ’86) attending senior war college at Fort McNair; during that time, I met several POWs who told me they were tortured due to Ms. Fonda’s visit (one has never regained the full use of his arm). I respectfully suggest that Ms. Fonda could – and should – have foreseen this precise type of exploitation and, therefore, not have traveled to North Vietnam. However, she opted to enhance her own fame and “new left” reputation, at the cost of our POWs’ well-being. In my opinion, that is an unmistakably treasonous act.
With best regards – Roy Kiefer
