Handgun Advice

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I am getting my wife into shooting. I am looking for a cheap starter pistol. She is small framed and sometimes had trouble with racking some handguns. I want something she can call her own, break down, clean and what not then move onto bigger better things. Any advice?
 
my wife carries a BERSA thunder 380.

shes 4'11''(she rounds up to 5ft:D) and has really small hands. she loves this gun and hates my P22. she said she likes the fact that its all metal and the weight helps w/ recoil. its every easy to break down and clean. it has good sights and shoots good groups.
 
Take your wife to the gunstore and let HER handle some guns- WHATEVER SHE WANTS...fit and feel are very important aspects of handgunning. She will know what feels good to her better than anyone else.

pax will probably drop some science on you soon:)
 
^ totally agree....i bet a handled 10 different guns b4 i bought my M&Ps and the bersa.

if you got a gun range nearby go there and rent a few guns for her to try out thats what we did.
 
The Sig 232 is a great way to go in my opinion. Slim and reliable. I can't recommend the Bersa. I have one and plan on selling it bc it's not reliable.

Ben
 
Let her pick. If possible let her shoot as many as possible. My wife likes my Beretta M85 FS .380 for self defense, but prefers shooting a Ruger MK II at the range.
 
I forgot all about the Beretta Cheetah series. Those are some excellent guns too. Like others said... Let her choose. But be sure to put those in front of her.
 
Swing by my website at www.corneredcat.com for some general information about firearms (esp self defense) from a woman's perspective. Expect to spend some time there -- it's a pretty big site.

While there, visit www.corneredcat.com/RunGun/rack.aspx for instructions how to easily rack a slide. I'm betting that with five or ten minutes' work, she'll have a handle on that process and won't really struggle with slide manipulation again (except perhaps on tiny guns, which really should be saved for expert shooters anyway).

Now, with that out of the way, don't tell her whether she wants a revolver or a semi-auto. Let her make her own decision, based on her personal sense of ergonomics and aesthetics, her willingness to learn the manual of arms, her finger strength (revolvers require more finger strength than semi-autos do), and her comfort level with caliber and capacity concerns. See www.corneredcat.com/FirstGun/semivsrevo.aspx for a few subjects that might help get that conversation started. You'll think of more things to add, I'm sure!

Then get to the gun store with her, or encourage her to visit the store on her own, and have her try out different triggers and action types. Discuss the differences among the long, heavy trigger typical of a DA firearm, vs the short, light stroke of an SA, vs the medium but not always smooth triggers in the striker-fired family. Explain how if she goes with a revolver or a DA/SA semi auto, she will need to master the DA trigger and cannot plan to just use SA all the time. Have her sample the feel of each of these trigger types before trying to settle on a specific gun.

Also discuss external safeties and their manipulation -- again, note that if she chooses a firearm with an external safety such as a thumb safety, she will need to use that safety every single time so that the necessary muscle memory is there when she needs it. Discuss grip safeties (and if she chooses an XD, point out that the slide won't move a bit unless the grip safety is depressed; some women with slender hands have difficulty with that, though it doesn't affect most). Help her understand that external controls can be easily understood and used, but they do take a commitment to master well enough that you automatically use them correctly under stress.

After she's sampled a few triggers and has some understanding of the external-safety issues, it's time to work on gun fit concerns. See www.corneredcat.com/FirstGun/tryongun.aspx for more about that. The simple rule of thumb is that a gun that's a little bit too big might work okay, but a gun that's very much too big should be avoided. Once she's checked for trigger reach, be sure she checks that she can reach and use all the controls. Remember that trigger reach can often be shortened (by putting in a shorter trigger or altering the grip configuration), but those controls aren't going to move. So the location and usability of the controls is really critical when it comes to checking the gun fit for her.

When she's narrowed down her choices to two or three gun types, do whatever it takes to get those guns onto the range so she can fire them live. She's continuing to sample the trigger at this point, and also continuing to refine her understanding of how the guns fit, but the big question now is recoil. Lots of people enjoy recoil, but it's not enjoyment she's checking. It's controllability and repeatability. In other words, if the gun kicks hard enough that she instantly develops an ugly flinch, that's not a good choice for her. Likewise, if she can only fire a few shots before she's done and wants to do something else, she hasn't found her gun yet. If she otherwise enjoys the gun, but finds she can't get multiple shots on target fairly quickly, that's a deal-killer right there.

"Her" gun will be one that fits her hand comfortably, that she enjoys shooting, that enables her to get shots on target relatively fast, and that doesn't encourage her to develop bad flinch habits as she practices.

Happy shopping!

pax
 
If she is having trouble racking the slide on a semi-automatic pistol, have her read this article:

http://www.corneredcat.com/RunGun/rack.aspx

Most likely, she is having difficulty because she is not using the proper technique. Most men have the upper body strength to just force it, many women do not. Learning a proper technique will help her. It can even help you, because even though you can rack the slide with brute force, it is much more comfortable to apply proper leverage and need less effort to retract the slide.
 
I appreciate all the help. We are out to the range/store this weekend and hoping to make the next gun show as well. Thanks for all the suggestions.
 
Handguns for new entry level shooters...

If your wife lacks the hand strength or ability to safely load/fire/strip a handgun, you may want to consider a non-lethal weapon(pepper gel, X26 Taser, C2, chemical agent etc). A C2 or X26 taser she can operate is better than a loaded firearm she can't under stress, injury, chaos, etc.
If you really want or need a firearm, check into the smaller caliber DA/DA only small frame revolvers(Taurus, Ruger, S&W). A .32H&Rmagnum or a .38 spl +P would be a good start. The Taurus CIA, Ruger LCR, Taurus Protector Ti .38spl, S&W 442/638/60 etc.
A Crimson Trace lasergrip would be a great add-on; www.Crimsontrace.com .

Clyde
ps; Make sure she always carrys a firearm on her person. Not a bag, purse, case, etc.
 
I would recommend a Revolver for a starter pistol but I assume since you posted in this sub-forum your looking for a auto. Too many variables. Do you have preferences. Caliber, size, materials?
 
ClydeFrog,

The OP didn't say anything about self-defense at all. The woman is simply looking for a first firearm.

Furthermore, all of the tiny little guns you recommended are actually best for experienced shooters. Tiny lightweight guns with heavy triggers suck as learning tools, though they can be good carry guns for experienced shooters.

pax
 
Pax is right on. Just a decently priced small caliber firearm to which she can learn the basics and fundamentals/how to break down and clean/maintenance properly. I wouldn't mind a .22 or something along the lines.
 
My wife has weak hands as well. I took a different tac than some of the guys in this thread. If you think about the spring tension on racking the slide, it just isn't all that much for a 9mm. I got my wife a Glock 19. I took a bicycle glove and had her wear it on the left hand and practice racking the slide. Often these "can't do it" things are a matter of technique and not strength. Grip can be an issue. She practiced with the glove and can now easily rack the slide on the 19 without it. Recoil bothered her at first, but she kept practicing grip and follow through. No more recoil problems.
 
Didn't read any comment besides the OP's.

Id go with a Handgun.

Revolver in .357/.38

range time with the .38 and hot load .357 for the home.
 
My wife just got into shooting. We went to Bass Pro and bought a Browning Buck Mark Camper. Took it to the range the first time and found out that she can't rack the slide either. I'm either going to have to buy a $80 dollar slide with extensions that help her grap the slide or get her a new gun. Think I'll go with the new slide.
 
My wife had several guns (that I already had) to choose from. A Bersa 380 Thunder, S&W Sigma 380, Ruger LCP, Ruger SP101 3" barrel, and a Rossi 357/38 2" barrel.

She chose the Rossi after experimenting with several of the others including the S&W and the LCP. It just felt right to her and it's heavy enough that the recoil doesn't bother her like the recoil of the LCP.

BTW pax - she loves your website. :)
 
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