Excellent utility shotguns and great value for the money. But certainly not a good choice for skeet, trap, clays, or anything of that sort. Can they work for that? Of course...just not particularly well. Their niche is as inexpensive utility shotguns, and for that, I like them. BTW, in case you didn't know, H&R is owned by Marlin (which is in Remington's chain-of-command) these days and shares a catalog with them. H&R guns are now made in Ilion, N.Y. at what was the Remington plant for many, many decades...so the Remington connection sufaces there.