H&K P2000 SK anyone?

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HighValleyRanch

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I'm interested in getting one, but found this on Wikipedia:

The P2000 manual clearly states that HK does not recommend the use of +P and +P+ ammunition in P-series pistols:[1] The revised manual (2014) removes this recommendation, stating that P series handguns are designed for brass-cased ammunition, factory-loaded to Nato or SAAMI specifications. The revised manual continues to warn against the use of steel- or aluminum-cased ammunition.[2]
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Isn't Nato spec +P? I thought I read that somewhere.
So could I safely shoot BB hot loads through this?
Any why no aluminum brass like Blazers? What difference would that make.
Is this just legal mumble jumble.

All this makes it sound like it's too picky about ammo.

And still trying to understand the variants.
Is LEM double action only? You would want this because???
And why would you want DA/SA without the decocker?
After the first shot, it's SA and no safety, so wouldn't you have to decock it to make it safe to carry again?

Closest that I've owned is a Walther PPK with DA/SA and block safety.

I'm used to my double action revolvers, so would LEM be similar?

Any feedback on the H & K P2000 SK would help my decision.
Thanks
HVR
 
HVR, I will try not to confuse you explaining the LEM. The majority of my carry pistols are DAO, so when it comes to HK's, LEM is my choice. Think of it as a DAO with a slightly lighter trigger pull that mimics a SA trigger once you take up all of the (almost) weightless slack and, with the short reset ability of a traditional SA and/or striker-fire trigger. It also allows for a traditional DA second strike.

Also, should you decide not to fire or are finished firing, simply let the trigger back forward and it returns to the "safety slack" position.

Perhaps this'll help too, but don't let the pics confuse you thinking LEM is like the Sig DAK, as they are two completely different systems.

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What is the HK LEM trigger?: http://youtu.be/kwcsV4Bns_4

Also, I doubt you'd have to worry about damaging any modern HK handgun with +P ammo, as they're built like tanks.
 
Standard police RUAG ammo in Germany is hotter than our +P ammo. The pistol should be fine. I had and really like a P2000sk.
 
Does it lack the fire pin safety and drop safety that a glock has.
I assume it is drop proof, but what is the safety against strikes on the hammer or drop?

On the DA/SA without the decocker, how do you get it back to just DA since the hammer would be back after the last shot?
 
There is no da/as without a de cocker. It is a lever on the rear of the slide to the left of the hammer.

Also try the LEM before you buy. Some folks LOVE them. Some HATE them. I hate them. Something about the firing cycle or reset or something just bugs the hell out of me. I much prefer V3 but I like revolvers and really learned on them and da/sa guns so the heavy trigger is not an impediment to me.
 
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Does it lack the fire pin safety and drop safety that a glock has.
I assume it is drop proof, but what is the safety against strikes on the hammer or drop?
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There is a firing pin block like countless other designs. On the decocker versions there is a mechanical shelf the hammer rests on that keeps it off the back of the firing pin as well. Not sure if the same is true for the LEM.

On the DA/SA without the decocker, how do you get it back to just DA since the hammer would be back after the last shot?
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You don't. Watch the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3Go3bgtoj8

The only thing not covered in the video is what happens if you pull the trigger and the round doesn't go off. In that case since the slide has not traveled rearward the mainspring for the hammer will not be pre-cocked. You will still be able to pull the trigger and ignite the primer ("second strike capability") but the pull will be very heavy (~14 lbs) because the hammer spring wasn't pre-cocked.
 
My P2000sk is from 2005. If I recall, the manual simply states that use of high pressure ammo accelerates wear, as it does and would in any firearms. Read the manual. not Wikipedia. All of my HKs get a steady diet of NATO with no ill effects. Yes hot loads are fine. I've yet to own a HK that was picky about ammo.

It does caution against steel cased ammo for the same reason. I don't like aluminum ammo so I've never used it due to it's reputation for fouling chambers over prolonged use. Most ammo is brass cased and it all works just fine IMO.

LEM is a single weight pull for those that like that mode. DA/SA is heavy to light pull for those that like that mode. Your choice.

IMHO the P2000sk is the best made compact made today. All of the controls, the trigger, the grip, sights... everything just feels perfect to me. It's a small gun that shoots and feels like a larger duty size pistol. I especially like the decocker on my DA/SA and the mag release system.
 
H&K P2000 SK anyone?

Some people have already addressed the LEM operation, but I'll sum it up this way: it's like a DA pistol, but the mainspring gets preloaded by the movement of the slide (though the hammer stays down). This results in having to pull the trigger the full length, but it's a much lighter pull.



LEMs do not have a decocker; DA/SA versions have a decocking button on the back of the gun next to the hammer.



Don't worry about your ammo, it'll eat just about anything.



It does have a firing pin safety that prevents the pin from moving unless the trigger is pulled (to make it drop safe).



Full disclosure that I haven't actually held or shot a P2000SK, but I did own a P2000 in 9mm for a few years. I never got used to the feel of the trigger, and it just felt super snappy to me so I ended up selling it. I'm much happier with my SIG P229 now.



And a suggestion: when you're shopping around, be sure to take a look at the SIG P224. It's the same size as the P2000SK and will probably have a nicer trigger. FYI, SIG's DAK system is similar to (though not exactly the same as) HK's LEM system.
 
And a suggestion: when you're shopping around, be sure to take a look at the SIG P224. It's the same size as the P2000SK and will probably have a nicer trigger.
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To me the P224 is noticeably more awkward in its design than a P2000sk. The grip is more abbreviated on the P224 and to me the bore axis becomes exaggerated as a result. The P224 is also 5 ounces heavier than the P2000sk.
 
I agree. My personal feeling about many of the Sigs, is that I can't get over the seemingly high bore axis and huge slide to grip ratio.
I am a firm believer that bore axis is relevant to muzzle flip.
 
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Not trying to push the P224 too hard, but if you're shopping around it's not a bad thing to hold a few different things before you make a decision. It's just the first thing that comes to mind as a comparable handgun, aside from the Glock 26 (which is significantly different in operation).
 
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I agree. My personal feeling about many of the Sigs, is that I can't get over the seemingly high bore axis and huge slide to grip ratio.
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Not trying to be argumentative or sway your decision, but have you noticed that the HK's are in the same boat, VP9 and P7 notwithstanding?

Sorry, at the time I had the HK's I didn't yet have any Sigs...

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appreciate the suggestions, but even if I liked the Sigs, which I don't, the P224 is also not on the CA roster of approved hand guns.

For now, let's keep withe the HK I'm looking at.
 
I have an HK P30 and I put +P+ in my SD magazine, speer gold dot +P+ specifically. I have only fired 100rds of +P+ so I can't speak to sustained use, but only because I can't afford to. I'd use exclusively +P+ if I could afford it.
 
The DA/SA operates just like the Walther (decocker and all), except there is no manual safety, and the DA pull is much more manageable on the HK. I recently picked up a P2000sk, and it has performed perfectly through 320ish rounds of FMJ and HP ammo.

With that being said, I did handle a P30sk. If I hadn't bought my SK a few weeks prior, I would have snatched it up. It was the DA/SA Variant with a manual safety. I prefer DA/SA for semi auto pistols, and HK makes some great firearms. I would have no fears running +P through mine, as it is built like a tank... Literally.
 
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