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Gunsite Tactical Carbine Class
- Thread starter DeBee
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George Hill
Staff Alumnus
You could take both from what I understand. Watching the Class Video Gunsite made - It centers on the AR - but all skill taught are usefull with any rifle.
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"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
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"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE
As I recall, the Bolt Flick is simply a method of keeping the weapon mounted and cycling the action quickly.The shot's fired, the strong hand comes up and the ball on the bolt handle goes in the center of the palm. A quick movement cycles the action and the piece is ready to fire again.I never could figure why one takes the piece off the shoulder anyway,so I have more or less always done it.
It's easier on some types of actions, it's really easy on the Lee-Enfields. The Brits used to teach the method and got very good results.
A bit of practice will familiarize you with the technique.
Hope this helps...
It's easier on some types of actions, it's really easy on the Lee-Enfields. The Brits used to teach the method and got very good results.
A bit of practice will familiarize you with the technique.
Hope this helps...
Jeff Thomas
New member
DeBee, I took the weekend / 2 day version of this course in Phoenix at Ben Avery. Well worth the money, in my book.
Most folks had AR's, with a few AK's thrown in. We went over sighting in the rifle, different shooting positions, the usefulness of these firearms for self defense, tactical reloads, ammunition, handy accessories (slings, sights, etc.), cleaning and maintenance and so on. Lots of shooting - about 600 to 750 rounds in 2 days. Lots of fun. Great instructors.
At the beginning I knew very little about the rifle. After 2 days I was hardly an expert, but I felt much more confident with an AR.
I think you would enjoy the course. By the same token, I don't think you'll learn anything about bolt action rifles in a tactical carbine class. I gather the week long course covers the same ground, with lots more practice, and more 'tactical' situations.
Have you checked out Gunsite's web site?: http://www.gunsite.com/
Here is the course description off their web site:
ARIZONA SPECIALS
Tactical Carbine #123
Tactical Carbine addresses the deployment and use of the 5.56mm (.223 Remington) and the 7.63x39mm (.30 caliber Russian Short) battle carbines. The course structure will cover a spectrum of technical and reliability information about this popular mid-sized weapon type.
In additon to a serviceable carbine (AR- 15, Mini 14, AK series, etc.), you will need at least one spare magazine and a pouch for it and knee and elbow pads. Light gloves may be desirable.
Duration: 2 Days
Tuition: $300
Take care. Regards from AZ.
[This message has been edited by Jeff Thomas (edited October 22, 1999).]
Most folks had AR's, with a few AK's thrown in. We went over sighting in the rifle, different shooting positions, the usefulness of these firearms for self defense, tactical reloads, ammunition, handy accessories (slings, sights, etc.), cleaning and maintenance and so on. Lots of shooting - about 600 to 750 rounds in 2 days. Lots of fun. Great instructors.
At the beginning I knew very little about the rifle. After 2 days I was hardly an expert, but I felt much more confident with an AR.
I think you would enjoy the course. By the same token, I don't think you'll learn anything about bolt action rifles in a tactical carbine class. I gather the week long course covers the same ground, with lots more practice, and more 'tactical' situations.
Have you checked out Gunsite's web site?: http://www.gunsite.com/
Here is the course description off their web site:
ARIZONA SPECIALS
Tactical Carbine #123
Tactical Carbine addresses the deployment and use of the 5.56mm (.223 Remington) and the 7.63x39mm (.30 caliber Russian Short) battle carbines. The course structure will cover a spectrum of technical and reliability information about this popular mid-sized weapon type.
In additon to a serviceable carbine (AR- 15, Mini 14, AK series, etc.), you will need at least one spare magazine and a pouch for it and knee and elbow pads. Light gloves may be desirable.
Duration: 2 Days
Tuition: $300
Take care. Regards from AZ.
[This message has been edited by Jeff Thomas (edited October 22, 1999).]
George Hill
Staff Alumnus
300 is not too much for a class that could end up saving your life or the life of a loved one.
Too many folks are too caught up in the "toy" aspect of things - and not the "application" of them. Instead of buying that 2nd Glock - why not a good class covering the use of the first? PRACTICE and TRAINING are KEY if you want to be a Gunslinger. Buying toys cause they are neat - Your just a Dandy...
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"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE
Too many folks are too caught up in the "toy" aspect of things - and not the "application" of them. Instead of buying that 2nd Glock - why not a good class covering the use of the first? PRACTICE and TRAINING are KEY if you want to be a Gunslinger. Buying toys cause they are neat - Your just a Dandy...
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"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE
Doug in PHX
New member
DeBee,
A few weeks ago, Rich and I had a short discussion about the 'bolt flick' under a posting entitled "Steyr Scout..anybody own one?", which started on 10/10/99. I think you can get there from here
www.thefiringline.com/NonCGI/Forum3/HTML/000937.html
Down at the bottom are a couple of posts that may be of interest. You will learn the usage of the bolt rifle, especially a Scout, in a Gunsite General Rifle (270) class, a Thunder Ranch General Rifle class or a Jeff Cooper Rifle class at the NRA Whittington Center. I offer some instruction in Arizona for friends and referrals.
The Gunsite Carbine classes are definitely geared towards AR-15, Mini-14, AK type carbines. I would recommend the AR. Much of your shooting will be pretty close, with almost all of it under 100 yds. TR offers similar training. I can also personally recommend Jim Crews who travels around the country with his training program.
www.marksmans.com
If that domain isn't working yet, try his old one at
www.angelfire.com/biz/AZGuns/
Doug.
[This message has been edited by Doug in PHX (edited October 22, 1999).]
A few weeks ago, Rich and I had a short discussion about the 'bolt flick' under a posting entitled "Steyr Scout..anybody own one?", which started on 10/10/99. I think you can get there from here
www.thefiringline.com/NonCGI/Forum3/HTML/000937.html
Down at the bottom are a couple of posts that may be of interest. You will learn the usage of the bolt rifle, especially a Scout, in a Gunsite General Rifle (270) class, a Thunder Ranch General Rifle class or a Jeff Cooper Rifle class at the NRA Whittington Center. I offer some instruction in Arizona for friends and referrals.
The Gunsite Carbine classes are definitely geared towards AR-15, Mini-14, AK type carbines. I would recommend the AR. Much of your shooting will be pretty close, with almost all of it under 100 yds. TR offers similar training. I can also personally recommend Jim Crews who travels around the country with his training program.
www.marksmans.com
If that domain isn't working yet, try his old one at
www.angelfire.com/biz/AZGuns/
Doug.
[This message has been edited by Doug in PHX (edited October 22, 1999).]
Thanks for the excellent thoughts. $300 is very reasonable for a "mini vacation" like that... guess I'd better start accumulating more ammo! Hmmm. Let's see how many boxes IS that...
My AR is in pieces on my bench- it's in the process of becoming a Lightweight- even a 14" M4 Vortex seems too front heavy - but I want a Colt 1x9 post ban lightweight- and I understand I'll really have to be patient finding that one...
My Scout rifle project is stalled in the design stage. I can't work out a scout mount to my satisfaction- I want a Picatinny rail from the rifle's front ring using existing scope mount holes extending forward like a quarter rib giving me more "optics options".
The project MAY evolve into a "Snout" or "QR2 type" rifle with me spending the budgeted money on a fantastic scope instead of scout mounts. Say the Leupold LPS 1.5-6x42mm 30mm or the popular 3.5-10x50mm Tactical???
My AR is in pieces on my bench- it's in the process of becoming a Lightweight- even a 14" M4 Vortex seems too front heavy - but I want a Colt 1x9 post ban lightweight- and I understand I'll really have to be patient finding that one...
My Scout rifle project is stalled in the design stage. I can't work out a scout mount to my satisfaction- I want a Picatinny rail from the rifle's front ring using existing scope mount holes extending forward like a quarter rib giving me more "optics options".
The project MAY evolve into a "Snout" or "QR2 type" rifle with me spending the budgeted money on a fantastic scope instead of scout mounts. Say the Leupold LPS 1.5-6x42mm 30mm or the popular 3.5-10x50mm Tactical???
Arnistador
New member
For California shooters, I would also recommend Firearms Training Associates out of Norco, CA. They teach at Raahauge's and is headed by William Murphy, a current and Orange Gunsite Rangemaster as well as HBPD SWAT cop. His teaching is professional, courteous, patient, and follows traditional as well as modern aspects of pistol, shotgun, and riflecraft.
Check out their curriculum and very reasonable rates ($200 for a 2-day carbine class) at www.ftatv.com
Tim
Check out their curriculum and very reasonable rates ($200 for a 2-day carbine class) at www.ftatv.com
Tim
George Hill
Staff Alumnus
Debee - you want light weight - try a fluted barrel - it helps somewhat.
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"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE
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"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE