Guns to someone else's house

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Had lunch with a friend yesterday who is
a member of a supper group in our Church.

Seems that at the last dinner a new members husband got drunk ( I am a member one
one of the drinking faiths), and dropped his
concealed handgun TWICE.

Am I wrong in thinking that carrying concealed into a strangers house for a dinner
party is very bad manners, and serves only to give us gun people a bad name. I leave my piece in the truck unless I KNOW it would
be welcomed. I also do not mix guns and
alcohol. Am I just being a prude?

Because of this situation, I can see a couple of more people willing to vote for gun control.
 
The reason handguns are SMALL is so the can be concealed. ;)
If you were to conceal it & use it to save the lives of your host & his Wife, I think they might thank you !
Leaving the gun in the truck is inviting it to be stolen & next to useless if you suddenly needed it. :(
Alchohol + guns/driving etc is of course dumb & your friend needs a really GOOD kick in the bum !

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As a CCW holder, I carry absolutely everywhere it is legal for me to do so. That would include a stranger's house. The operative word is concealed. This should never have even become an issue.

Having said that, I also firmly believe that gunpowder and alcohol don't mix. In fact, possession of a firearm while intoxicated is a violation of law in most states. Just as we have "designated drivers", had the gentleman in question known he was going to be drinking, his wife should have been carrying, not him.

And you're right, this sort of thing does our cause no good.

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Otter...
Drinking to drunkenness while carrying is bad manners and quite stupid...regardless of the setting. He dropped it twice...therefore he is too stupid to get a holster that fits and secures the gun. I know you are in Cali...so does this guy have one of the extremely rare CCW?



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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
 
Precisely! If he were responsible when sober, he would have chosen a manner of carry that keeps the pistol safely, firmly, held out of sight. The fact that he dropped it twice after drinking implies that he belongs in the "Rubber Gun Squad."

Though I don't like to consume much strong drink when away from home, when I do, I become deadly cautious about it. At that point, your worst enemy is possibly yourself.

Your friend was not so much in bad form choosing to go armed in your friend's house, as he was to go armed carelessly, and then to drink carelessly.

Doubtless your friend wouldn't have objected to an armed police officer remaining armed while visiting. A responsibly carrying citizen is every bit as safe (!) as the average cop.
 
I'm a believer, I also have a drink on occasion, and even though I have worn a pistol on me while leading praise or even preaching, I never carry when I plan on having a drink (even if it is just a glass of wine or one beer), and if I am carrying, I make it a point never to drink.

Not that I can't control my ethanol intake, it's for the sake of avoiding anything that might lead to trouble.

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Make me a smarter shooter :D
 
A friend, who was at the dinner, told me this story, I do not know the gun dropper, since
anyone that sloppy would not be as friend of mine.

I live in a rural area of Georgia, where houses are usually seperated, and car break-in are rare, so leaving the gun in the truck is a vialble option.

Also I work at a University so many of
my associates are quite liberal, so I keep my
opinions on guns quiet until I find a
kindered spirit. Of the eleven people in my department nine have guns at home and two
have carry permits (tote permits up here in the Mountains), so the situation is not as bad as it could be.

I may be wrong, but I am not comfortable
carrying into a strangers house. Of course,
I am getting so old that I have a tendency to hang out only with people I have know for a time anyway.
 
Whoa!!!! Before my name is taken in vain...that post was not made by me! This person is new! Only 4 posts made at the time I typed this. I haven't read the other posts but I sense some confusion could start to take place...it already did with DC.

Otter...my handle is Ottergal but most folks here call me Otter. Would it be out of line for me to ask you to change your user name to avoid the confusion? Although I haven't been here that long, I feel that when people see the name "Otter" they think of me. I don't want to upset you, I just want to avoid potential problems.
 
Otter, no, I would disagree. I carry anywhere I can legally and practically and that would include a dinner party. What I would NOT do under ANY circumstances is get DRUNK while carrying. If I plan to get drunk I leave the gun at home. Fortunately,I only plan to get drunk once a year, New Year's Eve. <g>
 
I also carry whenever and where ever possabile. However, as a matter of courtesy, I will inform a person that I am carrying before entering their home. If they object, I simply leave without a fuss. After all it is their home. None of my friends have ever objected.
Ditto the coments on drinking and guns. Stupid, real stupid.

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Ottergal...
Oops, Mea Culpa.
If you'll note my post time you'll know it was 5:20 AM, our time. :)

At least I wasn't drinking

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
 
DC...no offense taken!!!! I am sure you are not the only one who went "hmmmmmmmm" when you saw the post, just because most of you know my background so it wouldn't make sense!

I hope I was not out of line in asking the other Otter to make a name change...I just could see the potential confusion and would like to avoid it. If I shouldn't have done so, please let me know and I will drop it. :)
 
Ottergal, I am sorry to cause you any problem.
On the few nets that I post upon, I generally go by Old Otter (since I am old
but still like to play in rivers).

If DC or some one can tell me how to change my user name I will certainly do so.
 
Otter critters...please check your e-mails :)

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
 
This guy sounds like a real nitwit. Does not represent us well at all.

FWIW, I don't announce or mention in any way, shape, form, or manner that I am carrying, even to fiancee or friends,...unless I am sure that they are TOO.

As for guns and booze, a very bad combo. One of my former employees (dumb schmuck) drank a bottle of Stoli and proceeded to blow off his right big toe with a .357 he was "unloading" for safe travelling as a passenger in a company truck. The bullet lodged in the truck body. I was not amused in filing that accident report with HQ.
 
Old Otter ( ;) ), everyone said it above. Drinking was the problem; carrying 'concealed' was not the problem.

Trainers tell us that if you know you are going to a location where you will need a gun, then you should probably not go there! And, the related point is that we therefore usually don't know when we will need to defend ourselves and innocent others - so, carry it with you, and keep yourself under control.

Responsible adults don't drive or carry firearms if they are drinking to excess.

One other point. I, like you, tended to be very quiet about my interest in firearms. No more. That is part of the reason we're having these political problems. Each of us must make his / her own decision. But, consider diplomatically discussing the subject when appropriate - we need for others to understand how many responsible people own and carry guns, and they need to hear the honest, positive arguments in favor of the RKBA. IMHO.

Regards from AZ
 
Old Otter ;)...

Not a problem...just didn't want anyone to be confused...(we had a problem with someone misrepresenting themselves here recently...didn't want anyone to think it was happening again!)

I'm glad to have a fellow Otter here...I like rivers but I am partial to the sea!!! :D

Welcome to our TFL family, my Otter friend!

:)Ottergal
 
DROPPING a concealed sidearm!? TWICE?! WOW. Guess the firing pin block (and/or transfer bar) safety works, doesn't it! Please tell me that you don't frequent the range with this man on a regular basis. If so, BUY KEVLAR. ;) I, personally, carry concealed EVERYWHERE I go, including friend's places. Concealed, as mentioned earlier, is the key word. If the sidearm is truly concealed, it's as good as not being there; NOBODY knows, and that's the idea. Suggest a few books on carrying concealed. Good Luck- Dakotan
 
Hi (Old) Otter, welcome to TFL. I too was confused by the name and wondered how Ottergal lost the gal part. In fact I checked your profile before I read the posting. :)

I carry about everywhere I can do so and I limit my alcohol in take because of that. I don't even like going into retail establishments that serve alcohol, even if I only have a soft drink because of the possible legal complications. To get swacked and drop a concealed handgun not once but twice is the highest form of BOY, IS THIS BOZO STUPID.

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Otter, welcome to The Firing Line.

As far as parties go, I very seldom go to a party at someone's house who isn't an intimate friend. All my close friends carry on a regular basis, so it doesn't come up.

Also, the loss of control involved in getting drunk is abhorrent to me, and to most of my friends as well.

Getting drunk to the point of losing control over a weapon (dropping it once) would be grounds for having said weapon removed and locked up until the owner sobered up. Just like car keys.

LawDog
 
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