Guns that can be carried SA cocked & locked?

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travis0127

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Besides the 1911, Hi Power, and USP, are there any that can be had to do the same? I mean true single action pistols. Specifically in .45 ACP. (I already have a Glock and 1911) I'm looking into a USP, and want to know what is comparable to that. Can Sigs be carried like this? I'm not very familiar with other pistols, (obviously) :) and I can only think of H&K and the Sig as brands that may offer this type of pistol. I don't care for S&W, and I don't think Berretta makes a .45, not sure if they can be carried this way either. I'm not interested in the PO Lda either, though I don't know if this will do what I'm asking, even if it did, I've already got a 1911.

Also, I am looking for a durable, black finish, such as a Glock or USP.

Another, related question: Are all DA/SA autos capable of Cocked and Locked SA carry?
 
The H&K USP us not a single action, not in the sense that a 1911 or Hi Power is. If you decock it, you will find that the first trigger pull is double action. But you can carry it cocked and locked, so you only have single action.
The Sig, while it is a quality pistol, is not designed to be carried cocked and locked. There is no user safety on the gun. Just aft of the trigger and magazine release is a decocker. It is meant to be carried or stored hammer down.
Beretta does indeed have a .45 ACP, though not in single action. The Cougar 8045 is a fine pistol, with a DA/SA or DAO trigger. The safety is a decocker-safety.
The CZ-75 and all its variants can be carried cocked-and-locked. From CZ itself, there is the CZ-97 in .45 ACP.
Magnum Research has the Baby Eagle in .45 ACP. At 40 oz, it is a bit heavy for sustained carry to most people. (CZ knock-off).
EAA has the Witness in .45 ACP, another CZ-75 clone.
In answer to your last question, some DA/SA pistols can be carried cocked and locked. The above mentioned H&K's, CZ's and derivatives may be. The rest are not made to be carried that way.
Hope this helps.
 
I have an SA Norinco Tokarev with the added-on import safety. It can be carried cocked and locked, although I prefer half-cocked and locked. I can still operate it one-handed in this mode. Of course, it is based on the 1911.

I hope to get a Polish TT-33 soon. As a curio, no safety was tacked on by the ATF. Should be carried half-cocked as God and Fedor Tokarev (channeling John Moses Browning) intended. ;)
 
I would be even more hesitant to carry cocked & locked if there was no grip safety, as is the case with the CZ and EAA pistols.

My SIG P-220 has no safety, only a decocker, so it's out.

The H&K USP has a decocker/safety lever, so it could be carried cocked & locked, but again, the lack of grip safety would make me nervous.
 
Quite a few of the old Star pistols from Spain were of a single action design and could be carried in condition one.

The Beretta like Taurus pistols can also can be carried in condition one.

Mark / FL
 
I have an older Italian-made Beretta that can be carried C&L.

I think Beretta makes the Cougar in .45 ACP, but I don't know if it can be carried C&L.

If the gun has a firing pin block (EAA Witness does, but my Beretta does NOT), I don't think it would be as much of a problem carrying it C&L. Without the finger holding the trigger back to release the firing pin, no boom.
 
Just looked at this question myself. What I found:

(Current production guns that can be carried cocked and locked - no necessarily SA pistols. Some DA/SA with a manual safety allowing cocked-and locked.)

the obvious ones:

1911 pattern pistols
CZ pattern pistols (Tanfoglio, EAA, etc.)
Hi-Power
HK USP's

Less obvious:

Beretta 9000s
Taurus PT 92/100 series (Beretta copies)
Taurus PT 957, 940, 945

There may be others, but these are the ones I was able to identify at my local gun shop. As python1340 mentioned, none have the grip safety like the 1911 in addition to the manual thumb safety, so carrying cocked-and-locked may be possible but more risky.
 
Limiting it to strictly .45 ACP I would look at the H&K P9S or CZ97.

I wouldn't worry about the grip safety or lack thereof. JMB designed the HP without one as an improvement on the originaly design. Back in the '70's it was popular to pin or grind the grip safety on a 1911 to deactivate it. The only way a cocked gun will fire is if the trigger is pulled, safety or not.
 
Thanks for the input. I went to the candy store today, (and left my wallet at home). I checked out the majority of these pistols, but the Taurus and Beretta. The HK will be mine...someday. Meanwhile, I have an AO 1911 that is screaming for money. ;)
 
Smith & Wesson DA autos could have the hammer-drop feature removed, and the guns could then be carried C&L. The Smith 745 was essentially a 645 without DA. Like all guns with slide-mounted safeties, operating them is not all that handy.
 
Just purchased a USP.... was wondering... when they say safe to carry "cocked and locked" ....is it:
(a) chambered round then "decocked"
(b) chambered round hammer let down to closed "bobbed" position
(c) chambered round, hammer back, safety on.

Although I don't have any intention to carry cocked and locked I was wondering what H&K's intention is
 
bj426:

Just purchased a USP.... was wondering... when they say safe to carry "cocked and locked" ....is it:
(a) chambered round then "decocked"
(b) chambered round hammer let down to closed "bobbed" position
(c) chambered round, hammer back, safety on.

Although I don't have any intention to carry cocked and locked I was wondering what H&K's intention is
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It could only mean (c). Otherwise it isn't cocked and locked.
 
ok... then to dive a bit deeper.... is case (b) suceptible to an AD if something were to hit the hammer?

I'm sure you realize the hammer does not fully close when decocked as in case (a)
 
bj426,

Safeties are nice on guns but do not let them lull you into a false sense of security. As such obey the standard firearm safety rules.:cool:
 
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