Guns have no political value in democracies?

True, they have no political value in a democracy, other than keeping the democracy from becoming a dictatorship.
 
I got the same kind of treatment over at @forumz
http://www.atforumz.com/showthread.php?threadid=9638

With a Brit of course....

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The Alcove

I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
The Battle of Athens, Tennessee
As Recently As 1946, American Citizens Were
Forced To Take Up Arms As A Last Resort
Against Corrupt Government Officials.
http://www.jpfo.org/athens.htm

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Be careful what you ask for..You may get it.
An unloaded pistol is a paperweight.
 
I was gonna join that chat, but after reading a few posts I decided there were WAY WAY WAY TOO MANY dumb people to argue with.
 
I think maybe I'll point out to them that if you read the Second Ammendment literally it states that the Militia should be regulated, but it mentions nothing about regulating their ownership of weapons.

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The Alcove

I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
Theodore White, who wrote "The Making of the President" covered that episode in Athens, Tennessee. It's discussed in his autobiography, "In search of history" at page 250. I don't know if he reproduced any of his coverage in any of his books. He says in the book that his article was published in Harpers, so I guess you could get that printed out at about any large library from microfilm.

[This message has been edited by RHC (edited October 08, 2000).]
 
Who cares? This country was founded as a Constitutional REPUBLIC!!!!

Anybody here ever said the Pledge of Allegiance?
The founding fathers hated democracies.
 
Right here we've got some fairly open-minded people with a slight libertarian slant. And while they claim to support the 2nd Amendment, they say:

1. The world would be better if there were no guns.

2. Only people living off their firearms (for hunting) should have them- shotguns & rifles... handguns are only for killing not defense.
http://pub2.ezboard.com/ftheoperageneraldiscussion.showMessage?topicID=1456.topic

Please go set them straight, there's an honest possibility for conversion with these folks since they're highly freedom orientated.
 
Dangus, the definition of "regulated" at that time was "trained ", not "governed by law". As in a clock is "regulated" to keep good time, It is adjusted, not ordered.

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68-70
true story, a Union Gen. once said "Don't worry about those Rebs. They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..SPLAT.
 
JimR,

Hitler was elected, yes, but it must always be kept in mind that all the major cities were filled with armed Nazi party members who were courteous to pro-nazi folks, and outright nasty and murderous to Jews and anti-nazi folks. While Hitler might have been elected anyway, they certainly did a lot to tamper with that election and to keep their opponents from voting.

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The Alcove

I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
Dangus:

My point was to back up JOTMG's post, which was:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>True, they have no political value in a democracy, other than keeping the democracy from becoming a dictatorship.[/quote]

by noting that one of the most horrible dictatorships of modern times (I would argue Stalin's was worse, but that's another thread) began as a democracy.

Our Founding Fathers explicitly rejected democracy as a form of government, instead choosing a constitutional republic with democratically elected representatives. Unfortunately, most changes to that system have been to make the process more democratic, which is not / has not been necessarily good.
 
Yeah, basically Stalin managed what Hitler didn't. He killed millions and got away with it.

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The Alcove

I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me

Compromising the right position only makes you more wrong.
 
sorry I'm a little late...may I echo something posted 2X's?

WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY!

WE ARE A CONSTITUTIONALREPUBLIC!!!
 
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