The anti-gun idiots love to say guns kill , but I wonder how many of them ever stop to think how many people have food on their tables thanks to the gun industry , how many people are employed by small arms factories ? And I am not just talking about the guy on the factory floor .
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Jack_Bauer24
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There to stupid to think about that, there to busy trying to figure ways to take them away from us.
aarondhgraham
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They don't care,,,
It's that simple.
Aarond
It's that simple.
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Stressfire
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Eh, I dunno about that. From a certain point of view: If guns are evil and the people who use them are evil (and dangerous
), it only follows that the people that manufacture, sell, distribute, purchase, furnish, repair, discuss, design, or otherwise do anything with them is evil by default.I think they care very much...that the industry as a whole goes away
phobia: Unreasonable fear or dread: morbid dislike; from the Greek for fear.
It is considered a mental illness. Maybe those that have it should not have any guns?????
However, if because of their phobia, they should not have any guns, does not mean I should not. I have no fear of guns.
It is considered a mental illness. Maybe those that have it should not have any guns?????
However, if because of their phobia, they should not have any guns, does not mean I should not. I have no fear of guns.
Unlike guns, cigarettes companies...
put dinner on the table employing many people also. But unlike guns, it cigarette's that kill people, guns don't, or cars for that matter.
www.funny-games.biz/cigarettekiller.html
Now that I think of what I just stated, people do kill people with second hand smoke.
never mind.
put dinner on the table employing many people also. But unlike guns, it cigarette's that kill people, guns don't, or cars for that matter.
www.funny-games.biz/cigarettekiller.html
Now that I think of what I just stated, people do kill people with second hand smoke.
never mind.
I don't smoke and generally don't hang around folks that do very much, but I've NEVER seen a cigarette kill anyone! Likewise, I've never seen a gun kill someone either.
Along with cigarettes, here's a short list of things you probably should not set on fire and put in your mouth:
1. Magnesium shavings
2. Black-powder Cigars
3. Ford F-150 tail pipes
4. Hemlock leaves
5. WD-40
Perhaps we need to tax and ban these things out of existence because of the adverse health risks.
Uncle Buck
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Factories: The ones making, QCing, storing and shipping firearms.
Suppliers: The folks who are provided the raw materials. Who mined the steel, or recycled it, for the barrels, the wood for the stocks, the machines to make the finished product.
Retail stores (Don't forget the distributors and delivery people to the retail stores), bullet manufacturers, component manufacturers, the list is pretty exhaustive.
I remember when a professor of economics asked about all the costs associated with a banana.
WANT A LCR 22LR
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Using the ". . .but the gun industry employs so many people you can't shut it down. . " isn't a valid argument. Over the years there are many industries that have employed large numbers of people over the years but once the product they were making was found to be hazardous, it was shut down or production curtailed. ( PCB transformer oil, lead , asbestos, carbon tet, radium paint, Coca Cola with real cocaine. . . )
Also calling someone of a opposing view a " idiot " doesn't bolster your credibility, the argument inevitability turns to more name calling and ultimately " I've run out of IQ and I'm gonna beat your a ". All of this bolsters the notion that gun owners are a bunch of yahoos just looking to kill something.
Apply logic and you will get much farther. And remember, the opposing side feels as strongly about their view as you feel about yours, counter them with facts and logic.
Others beat me to the cigarette analogy, it has been shown that as a group , health care costs for smokers are higher than non smokers. Want to smoke and have health insurance? Sure, just group your self with other smokers in a insurance plan and pay your own way. Otherwise expect cigs to be more regulated if smokers want to remain in the regular insurance pool.
All that said, the anti gun people do have a point, if guns didn't exist neither would gun crime. Problem here is that other objects would be misused to fill the void then "anti - misused object" groups would pop up. It seems like many anti - whatever groups seldom go after the actual cause of a problem and would rather focus on a glamorous visible symptom. If pro - whatever people focused on reducing missuse, the anti- whatever people would have less facts / logic to stand on.
Also calling someone of a opposing view a " idiot " doesn't bolster your credibility, the argument inevitability turns to more name calling and ultimately " I've run out of IQ and I'm gonna beat your a ". All of this bolsters the notion that gun owners are a bunch of yahoos just looking to kill something.
Apply logic and you will get much farther. And remember, the opposing side feels as strongly about their view as you feel about yours, counter them with facts and logic.
Others beat me to the cigarette analogy, it has been shown that as a group , health care costs for smokers are higher than non smokers. Want to smoke and have health insurance? Sure, just group your self with other smokers in a insurance plan and pay your own way. Otherwise expect cigs to be more regulated if smokers want to remain in the regular insurance pool.
All that said, the anti gun people do have a point, if guns didn't exist neither would gun crime. Problem here is that other objects would be misused to fill the void then "anti - misused object" groups would pop up. It seems like many anti - whatever groups seldom go after the actual cause of a problem and would rather focus on a glamorous visible symptom. If pro - whatever people focused on reducing missuse, the anti- whatever people would have less facts / logic to stand on.
Glenn E. Meyer
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Go to shootingindustry.com and look for articles on number of guns sold. Then try to estimate the total sales amount for year. So 14 million guns at an average of X?
Given the massive job layoffs in some industries, it probably wouldn't match the drop in some industries. For example, new houses construction last year was about 600 K houses and it used to be 1.5 million a year. That's an order of magnitude or two more, given housing prices.
Probably won't fly as an argument against the antis.
Given the massive job layoffs in some industries, it probably wouldn't match the drop in some industries. For example, new houses construction last year was about 600 K houses and it used to be 1.5 million a year. That's an order of magnitude or two more, given housing prices.
Probably won't fly as an argument against the antis.
Smokey Joe
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Countering antis...
That all guns are bad, and should be banned, is part of a belief system. You cannot counter beliefs with logic of any type.
It doesn't matter that the belief is illogical, unconstitutional, dangerous to others, or anything else.
If I sincerely believe that the sky is green (for example) no facts you tell me about wavelengths of light penetrating the atmosphere will have any effect on my belief, no matter how provable your facts may be.
The much joked about "shoulder thing that goes up" is another example. This shoulder thing, they believe, is part of what makes guns dangerous killers of innocent children and puppies. That the antis have no idea of what they are talking about is irrelevant to them. They just want all the guns outa here, period.
Unfortunately for us careful, law-abiding, firearm users, many antis are NOT stupid, many are very persistent, some are lawyers, and some have a great deal of money to spend on their beliefs. And their belief systems differ from ours.
Bottom line: Join and support the NRA (whether or not you have quibbles with that organization!) and other pro-firearm groups, become and stay politically aware, support candidates who support your ideas, and if you don't vote in every election, your griping license is cancelled.
That all guns are bad, and should be banned, is part of a belief system. You cannot counter beliefs with logic of any type.
It doesn't matter that the belief is illogical, unconstitutional, dangerous to others, or anything else.
If I sincerely believe that the sky is green (for example) no facts you tell me about wavelengths of light penetrating the atmosphere will have any effect on my belief, no matter how provable your facts may be.
The much joked about "shoulder thing that goes up" is another example. This shoulder thing, they believe, is part of what makes guns dangerous killers of innocent children and puppies. That the antis have no idea of what they are talking about is irrelevant to them. They just want all the guns outa here, period.
Unfortunately for us careful, law-abiding, firearm users, many antis are NOT stupid, many are very persistent, some are lawyers, and some have a great deal of money to spend on their beliefs. And their belief systems differ from ours.
Bottom line: Join and support the NRA (whether or not you have quibbles with that organization!) and other pro-firearm groups, become and stay politically aware, support candidates who support your ideas, and if you don't vote in every election, your griping license is cancelled.
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Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Guns remove jobs.
Everytime a criminal is killed by a gun, loads of lawyers, corrections officers, jail cooks, prison uniform suppliers, etc are denied employment.
Enough of that happens and you add contractors that build prisons and courtrooms.
Then there's the lost rent on the lawyers office. They guy at the marina and golf course.
The ripples go on forever. Prison psych doctors. Parole officers.
It appears the only ones that profit is the ammo manufactuer and the undertaker.
Wait, grave digger ! That's a shovel ready job !
Guns remove jobs.
Everytime a criminal is killed by a gun, loads of lawyers, corrections officers, jail cooks, prison uniform suppliers, etc are denied employment.
Enough of that happens and you add contractors that build prisons and courtrooms.
Then there's the lost rent on the lawyers office. They guy at the marina and golf course.
The ripples go on forever. Prison psych doctors. Parole officers.
It appears the only ones that profit is the ammo manufactuer and the undertaker.
Wait, grave digger ! That's a shovel ready job !
Stressfire
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I have, and I strongly disagree. Librarians are poor folk too
But you raise an excellent point, there are actually a couple groups in my area that do outdoor activities and shooting with kids - problem, however, as one person who runs on of these groups said funding is always the issue.
People are very willing to give to a good cause: getting kids outdoors. Then he gets to the part of the pitch where he has to tell the donors about the guns...
meatgrinder42
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Guns kill people like a pencil makes a spelling mistake. Give someone anything gun, pencil, chair, toaster, tissue box and throw them in a room with someone they can have a dumb enough argument with, and they'll find a way to kill each other. The gun is a tool nothing more or less and its the operator that makes the final command.
And on a side note, silly anti-gunners. Guns don't kill people, bullets do
And on a side note, silly anti-gunners. Guns don't kill people, bullets do
I was in the old country a month ago. Not a bad place to live, you know. I never saw anyone who I thought looked "under the thumb." There are things to be said for a monarchy, you know. And aren't a lot of people here proud to be decendents of immigrants (legal and otherwise) from the British Isles? A lot of the loyalists were forced to leave the country after the revolution, you know. Even Flora MacDonald went back.
Come to think of it, where I'm from "the old country" meant either Italy or Lebanon.
Come to think of it, where I'm from "the old country" meant either Italy or Lebanon.
Glenn E. Meyer
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Off topic and full of cliches. The issue was the economic impact of the firearms industry.
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