Gunmen kill two migrants on U.S.-Mexico border

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Are the "People Smugglers" fighting it out like the "Drug Wars" going on in our cities?
Gunmen kill two migrants on U.S.-Mexico border
Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:39pm ET

PHOENIX (Reuters) - Unknown gunmen fired on a truck packed with suspected illegal immigrants in southern Arizona early on Friday, killing two people and wounding a third, police said.

The gunmen killed a man and a woman traveling in a pickup truck near Green Valley, some 30 miles south of Tucson, Pima County Sheriff's Department said.

Spokeswoman Dawn Barkman said the dead were believed to be Mexican immigrants traveling with three family groups from the poor southern Mexican state of Chiapas.

Barkman said two children were among at least 14 people packed into the extended-cab pickup truck.

Each year U.S. border police catch more than a million undocumented immigrants crossing north from Mexico, many of them through the desert corridor south of Tucson. There are an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States.

Last month gunmen shot dead three Guatemalan immigrants and wounded two others in an attack on a back road northwest of Tucson. Investigators in that incident said rival people-trafficking networks were likely responsible.

Police say increased security on the U.S.-Mexico border has made human trafficking a more profitable activity, resulting in increased violence among smugglers.

A smuggling ring that Arizona police say flew thousands of illegal immigrants across the United States from the Phoenix area was busted earlier this week with 16 people indicted, authorities said on Thursday.
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Authorities said nearly $2 million in bookings were made by the ring
 
I am a bit afraid of the negative fallout that is possible from these attacks.

Many people are saying that they feel these attacks are not between rival factions of smugglers but more likely the over-zealous action of vigilanties attacking illegal immigrants. If it was an attack by a rival smuggler the attacks would more likely be more devestating. They would want to put them completely out of business and send a message of "if you travel with them you get killed." It would be easy to station 3 or 4 well armed men in a certain position and take out entire truckloads and then disappearing.

I can agree that this is possible. The small nature of the attacks could lend itself to saying it is more likely someone taking pot shots and then running. A person or couple of people taking the law into their own hands.

If this is turns out to be the case it will have a devestating effect on civilian volunteers that patrol the boarders.

Something drastic needs to be done quickly to secure the borders or things are only going to get worse. I fear the worst part is that it will end up with more and more Americans being prosectuted after taking matters into their own hands due to the massive frustartions they face in trying to get their own govt to act. It is just so hard to do anything when the neo-cons love the cheap labor (Bush included) and the bleeding hearts want to bring every poor Mexican on across.
 
really? So what?...Yeah, your right, just illegal Mehicans....
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Nope has nothing to do with their nationality.
What does the word illegal mean? Against the law..Right?

These people died during the commission of a crime, illegal immigration, its against the law.
Therefore their fellow passengers should be held accountable as accessory to the fact at the very least. Like I have said before no sympathy here.
 
On the border? Who cares, So What!
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That wins my award for "most disgusting statement of the day."

I guess it is ok is the killers are American bubbas going down to kill them some Mexican women and children because we all know mexican children deserve it. :rolleyes:

Lets not pay any attention the the fact that they are possibly people breaking the law and using deadly force against people posing no threat to them and even shooting at children.

I can see how statements like this promote anti-gun furvor and create more antis every day by repulsing middle of the road people and turning them the other way. If someone can condone that behavior I would question their own judgement and wonder if I would feel comfortable with them being in possession of a firearm.
 
These people died during the commission of a crime, illegal immigration, its against the law.
Therefore their fellow passengers should be held accountable as accessory to the fact at the very least. Like I have said before no sympathy here.
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Come on Rem, stop that silliness. Ya dont shoot fence jumpers.

WildoratleastWEdontAlaska
 
That wins my award for "most disgusting statement of the day."
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I'll accept that suits me fine no problem Playboy. You have your ideals I have mine. Guns have nothing to do with the illegal immigration situation either. if it had been road rage or drinking or what/how ever is not the point.

I do not condone folks shooting other folks, but if your breaking the law and get shot, Oh well, huh? IMHO. The Gov. can put land mines on the border for all I care...I am a million like me are sick to death of the situation as a whole till we are becoming callused at the people responsible.

Come on Rem, stop that silliness. Ya don't shoot fence jumpers.
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Your right I DO NOT like or condone it but hmmm just read above..
NO no lets not gun folks down lets NOT do more to hurt the reputation of all honest gun owners I am one. I hate it every time I hear of any gun death, but this border situation.. It's time to do something. If that means drastic measures ok but lets do something.

I almost feel apologetic for my above statements because of gun control and I don't blame the folks trying to get to America one bit but I do want it stopped.
 
I'm gonna' jump off the fence on this one...

....and personally attack that POS rem33...you are every anti gunner's nightmare....but what is worse, you are the essence of hate, racism, and ethnocentrism that has everything to do with the murderous yahoo trailer trash who exploit, hurt, maim, rape, and kill Mexicans 'cause they are "illegal"...yeah bud...I'm attacking you, a$$hole and the scum like you who kill innocent humans 'cause they're "illegal"...boy am I pi$$ed off.
 
I'll accept that suits me fine no problem Playboy. You have your ideals I have mine. Guns have nothing to do with the illegal immigration situation either. if it had been road rage or drinking or what/how ever is not the point
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Any viewpoint that would condone an innocent mother and child being slaughterd because they crossed the border to pick apples for low wages is simply a disgusting one.

That type of thinking is the reason why people can say to themselves "I guess some people really can't be trusted with a firearm."

If this is anything more than internet posturing and feelings of being inconsequential and helpless in real life being balanced out with some empty words in a medium where they cannot be judgesd by their source due to the anonymous nature of the boards I would suggest you seek therapy.
 
....and personally attack that POS rem33
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That's your right Sir I respect yours you should mine. Race plays no part in what said above. illegal from any country anywhere. I wrote the first part so fast I had not read the word Mexican I figured it was but oh heck It doesn't matter g-day.


That type of thinking is the reason why people can say to themselves "I guess some people really can't be trusted with a firearm."
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Oh BS. Such foolishness from such a smart guy common.


"...boy am I pi$$ed off.
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Oh well,
I am not, and you have attached me personally, no big deal to me. I want border reform at about any cost.
 
Some viewpoints (and people for that matter) do not deserve respect...period.
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Come on you were just the other day preaching tolerance. What happened? Only tolerance if it suits ya?
 
Yikes guys this is America, we dont mine our borders or shoot folks just lookin to get into the Golden Door, will ya'll please stop this crap:eek: :D

WildcomeontheantisreadthisboardAlaska
 
looking to get into the Golden Door
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Ya know Wild If I was from south of the border I would be one of the guys making that crossing. First in line. I don't blame the poor immigrant, I feel sorry for them. I do not support shootin em down or land mines either that was extreme for sure. But we need to stop this insanity of our open borders, I have everyone attn. I guess and it has made me out to be a terrible person Oh well, I can take that punishment. Lets do something, make the ones here legal, or what ever it takes but PLEASE close the borders.

But they were breaking the law..lets hope it was not Minute men or any American for that matter. Allowing this lawless to continue is in a way adding fuel to the fire and it's gonna hit the fan now and then.
 
Our border

I think we ought to have the next TFL shoot at the border. As long as the ammo doesn't cross it as not to cause an international incident. I just talked to a couple that vacations there every year. They said it's so bad, they are considering selling their summer home there. They believe in gun ownership now, just went out and bought a S&W Sigma and asked where a good range was. Americans are getting very fed up about this problem. If the illegals would concentrate on changing the Mexican government as hard as they concentrate on protesting in our streets, and trying to change ours, we wouldn't have this invasion.
 
If some Mexican feels he that he can do some American's job for less money, then there will always be imigration. Whenever an American laborer complains, I can't help but laugh. Awww, it's not fair, is it? That someone else has just as much work ethic as you do (if not more) but isn't as greedy?

Can you really, seriously blame people for trying to emigrate to the US? We got one hell of an enticing country here. Just enforce the laws already in place, and add or reform existing ones to make imigration a fair and reasonable process. If doing it the legal way ain't so bad, then you're less enclined to do it illegally. I actually support Bush's worker visa program - you're not really a citizen, but you can get what you came for - a decent living.

Okay, now the current count is two threads about shooting Mexicans.
 
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