Gun store thread - the actual situation?

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Glenn E. Meyer

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Captain Charlie - can we actually discuss the action to be taken? This is an interesting situation, close to a lot of FOFs. I would like to discuss what to be done. If this is a bad thing to reopen - I apologize.

The case is that:

he ACTUALLY made the comment to the clerk, loud enough for me to hear, and htis is the comment... "I really like this hear piece... what if I was to just pull out a piece, and point it at you and take this one?"

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SO, I calmly put my hand on the grip of the Smitty 410 I had on my hip, and said nothing...

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and YES, had that idjit tried grabbing a gun from his clown pants, I would have perforated his cranium for him...

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So, I ask:

1. At this point - would it have been justified to draw on the person and challenge him with a forceful command not to move? Tell the clerk to call the law.

The rationale for this is pre-emption of a gun fight.

2. Move to cover rather than watch?

3. Leave and call the law saying there is a possible armed robbery in progress?

4. If the kid drew - head shot - they are risky? Could you have taken a better position?

-------- My feelings for the moment are choice #1 or 2. Either pre-empt the fight or get out of it.

Thoughts and apologies if this is a bad thing to reopen. I only care about the scenario.
 
Any person dumb enough to rob a gunstore is just asking to get ventilated, if i would have seen and form of a draw starting i would have drawn as well.
 
No problem, Glenn. I agree that it's an interesting situation and worthy of discussion... IF we can keep it on topic, minus any racist implications, and minus accusations of troll, etc. ;).
 
If he had gone for his gun here in Texas in commission of a crime of armed robbery which I believe is a felony you would have been fully justified in adding some ventilation modifications.

I would have probably called the law anyway after I had gotten a license number. #1 if he had a gun and no CHL he was committing a crime. #2 If he had a CHL I am sure threatening to commit an armed robbery will get you something. #3 if he had no CHL and was a felon and they found a handgun in his possesion I beleive that is worth a 10 year no good time no parole ride at the federal pen....assuming the clerk would have been a witness to what happened also.
 
Just on some hypothetical statement by the perp? Nope, that's not enough.

Had he shown a weapon or attempted to pull a weapon, yes. Under the circumstances, I would have removed myself from the shop (after getting a good description) and then I would have called the law and reported a possible armed robbery in place.

For me, it isn't worth dying to save a gun store a Glock nor even having to shoot someone.

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Sitting comfortably at my computer desk in the study, I'd chose a modified #2, with a sprinkle of #3 if necessary.

#2: Move to cover & watch, positioning myself to intervene if the threat became real, rather than an insinuated threat. Depending on my feeling of the situation, I may dial 911 from the cell phone while watching. I wouldn't leave the store unless I was with loved one's as they're my primary concern. I'd want to see how the situation developed before involving myself and my firearm.

Of course this all could change if I were actually there... and not talking out of my ass on the internet.
 
question: what was the guy on the other side of the counter doing?

The guys that work gun store I go to most often, all open-carry sigs and glocks.
 
Im going to speak as the guy behind the counter (although I am upstairs most of the time watching on monitors)

Someone says that to me (unless its a bud or someone I know is joking), they are going to be down on the floor and 911 called. And if it takes the sawed off Mossberg 500 to do it, well ce la vie

Period.

Not a funny joke.

WildeasyscenarioAlaska
 
Gunstore situation

A gunstore owner from Fairbanks was attacked by three young goblins.
They didn't openly draw on him but instead one got close from behind-while the owner was distracted by the other two-and pistol whipped him from behind.

He recovered and knocked the crap out of one with his pistol and then drew a bead on the others. They of course messed their pants and went down to the floor until the police arrived.

I believe it is the combat mindset that there is no second place that makes the typical gun shop(we are not talking large chain store gun shops) such a hard target.

Sincerely,
Thomas
 
I believe it is the combat mindset that there is no second place that makes the typical gun shop(we are not talking large chain store gun shops) such a hard target.
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I agree, every shop around here has people open carrying all sorts of goodies. It will take some brass balls to walk in there and say "put em up" and expect the outcome to be good.
 
I would probably have said (from behind him) "You would probably die." Of course the OP didn't know, at that time, that the clerk was unarmed.

In the original thread, note that the clerk is not allowed to carry, per the owner of the shop.

Pops
 
I remember hearing about this idiot that robbed a gun store with a .22 pistol. First, he walked past several marked police cars parked in front of the shop. He then ran inside, pulled out the pistol, and demanded all the cash in the register. The store's clerk pulled out a Winchester 1300 from under the counter and shot him as the other visitors fired with .38s,.45s,.22s,9mms,and
.357 magnums. The robber, needless to say, died.

The Moral:
Don't mess with American gun owners.
 
Unfortunately, there have been gun stores that have been held up and/or the staff killed. It isn't always by an idiot.
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+1 on that

We had one here in the Twin Cities at least a decade, probably more like 15-16 years ago where they came in just before closing time, killed both workers in the store and carried off everything they could. This was a store I stopped at fairly often and the folks that were killed were very nice, good people. Took a lot longer to catch the disgusting, low life, better-for-the-world-had-they-never-been-born scum that did it than I'd've ever expected, too (like, years).:mad:

I've contemplated more than once on if I'd been in there at the time it went down. This was a long time before MN became a shall-issue state, so...:barf:
 
Just on some hypothetical statement by the perp? Nope, that's not enough.
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Someone says that to me (unless its a bud or someone I know is joking), they are going to be down on the floor and 911 called. And if it takes the sawed off Mossberg 500 to do it, well ce la vie

Period.

Not a funny joke.
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exactly....not a joking matter

So if he did the same in a bank and said if I pulled out a gun and demanded money what would you do...
 
I recall an incident in which the perp was actually stupid enough to rob a gun shop with a couple of police cars parked in front (bet he rode the short bus to school). When he announced the stickup his body almost disappeared in the air from the ensuing fusillade (kind of like the scene in the movie Pitch Black when the flying piranhas eat the woman alive while she is standing and she disappears before she can fall down). The article mentioned something like 42 hits. Another Darwin Award winner.
 
A couple years ago I went into a little hole in the wall gun shop looked around and left. Watched the news that night and turns out it was robbed at gunpoint about 3 minutes after I left. I went back in and talked to them and asked questions. Everyone was stocking the shelves when several men came in and got the drop on them. Tied the employees up and emptied the shelves.

Nobody was hurt and I think the pistols were recovered. They soon switched to open carry.
 
First & Foremost... In many gun shops there is not a great deal of cover that will stop handgun rounds at close range. At least in the ones I've been to, unless they're stocking ammo cases waist high. Concealment may be easier to find and that may be enough.

what if I was to just pull out a piece, and point it at you and take this one?"
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Two thoughts immediately run through my head (besides that we're dealing with a Grade-A dumba**);

(A) He may be armed and may be about to follow-up on what he says.
(B) He's "testing" the clerk for future reference, either for a solo attempt or with a couple of buddies.

In either case, a good answer would be simply, "You'd die."

However, if the the guy's hands were anywhere near his waist (or the bottom of his baggy shirt) it would get dicey.
 
'tis good to hear Wildalaska chime in on this one. You have to admit, though, that if you were the one behind the counter and someone said those exact words to you, it might take a little longer than a second to sink-in. That would be one of those high-stress moments where your body takes a few seconds to respond. Fight or flight takes over. As a customer, I think the pertinent thing to do would be to take cover and observe if possible. If the BG actually drew, then a good batch of perforation would be in order.
 
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