Gun rights and Democratic rule cannot coexsist

[steelheart]

In their desperate bid to return to power, we have Democrats whining, "For God's sake, the Democrats don't want to trick people into voting for something they don't want!!! They just want to represent the people!!!"

BULL FECES. What they want is POWER.

The Democrat party is controlled by socialists. To rise to the national level in the Democrat party, you must be a socialist and have a pedigree of socialist thought, action and voting.

The Democrat party wants socialist rule by autocratic means - in other words, the Democrat party wants absolute power with no accountability to We The People. This cannot be achieved with an armed citizenry who can resist arbitrary rule.

We can expect the national level Democrat candidates to attempt to portray themselves as gun friendly - like John Kerry did, parading and posing for the press in his never-before-worn duck hunter costume.

We can expect them to attempt to paint themselves as "moderates" and to try to run from their antigun/socialist history, as Hillary Clinton is so desperately trying to do at present.

We can expect them to join bogus "progun" organizations - but not true gun rights organizations, such as the NRA, GOA or Jews For the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, or to contribute real sums of money to these organizations.

Gun control, registration, banning and confiscation are the holy grail issues of the Democratic party - they are at the very core of the socialist political philosophy with which they are pathologically obsessed. Do not expect the Democratic party to TRULY forsake their holy grail.

You will sooner see a planeload of nuns head off to South Padre Island during spring break and star in a "Girls Gone Wild" video than you will see the national level Democrat party forsake gun control/registration/banning and the ultimate goal - confiscation.

Don't buy their con job.

 

[model 25]

Democrats are the worst for gun owners but Republicans can be a pain in the butt too. I see no reason to trust any politition with our gun rights. Every bill that passed against us had voters from both sides of the isle. One good incident will bring another flurry of restrictions and years of hard work to get the rights back.

You are right though, Democrats are bold up front that they will take our guns and all the gun confiscation people are democrats. Unfortunatly the way the country is being run today, democrats will be elected soon.

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[fisherman66]

Where's Joe McCarthy when you need him?

 

[carbiner]

I agree steelheart, the dem party has moved far left over the years. Two good forces that have helped slow down the leftists is the NRA and the rise of alternate news sources. If people were still reading the NYT and watching CNN with no chance of learing the truth in daily life, we would not have CCW laws thru our free land as we do now.

 

[steelheart]

Where's Joe McCarthy when you need him?

Pointless and impotent ridicule.

If I'm wrong - prove it. Name the dozens of progun Democrats on the national level. Name the dozens of progun laws these Democrats have sponsored or passed. Name the antigun laws they have repealed.

Let's hear it - we're all waiting...

 

[fisherman66]

Pointless and impotent ridicule.

How so? Your rethoric is very similar.

You condem the Dems as socialists and then ask me to cite changes in law regarding gun control.

You wouldn't think it fair if I changed the topic as ask how Bush has curbed spending, would you?

In general you are correct and Dem. weighing in on gun control has been pitiful. Do you think that is justification for demonizing the entire party or those responsible for those movements. There are moderate and genuinely "gun friendly" Dems.

Gun control, registration, banning and confiscation are the holy grail issues of the Democratic party - they are at the very core of the socialist political philosophy with which they are pathologically obsessed. Do not expect the Democratic party to TRULY forsake their holy grail.

Holy Grail, huh? Why don't you support the arguement; in leiu of asking me to defend my McCarthy statement. Fact please.

 

[steelheart]

Fisherman: Wake up and smell the coffee!! Jeez!!

How so? Your rethoric is very similar.

Wrong. I stated facts and did not ridicule anyone.

You condem the Dems as socialists

I did not condemn - I merely stated that those in control of the Democratic party are socialists - because they are socialists. Look at their track record.

then ask me to cite changes in law regarding gun control.

Positive changes for gun owner's rights that the Democratic party has been responsible for. The fact is, there are none.

You wouldn't think it fair if I changed the topic as ask how Bush has curbed spending, would you?

It is you who is attempting to misdirect, change the topic and avoid the point in question here, not me.

Do you think that is justification for demonizing the entire party

As I said before, those in charge of the Democratic party at the national level are socialists - I said nothing about the entire party. If calling a socialist a socialist is "demonizing," and by your definition it apparently is, then yes, I demonized.

There are moderate and genuinely "gun friendly" Dems.

Individual voters who have no power in the party, yes. Not at the national level, where the power lies.

Holy Grail, huh? Why don't you support the arguement; in leiu of asking me to defend my McCarthy statement. Fact please.

All I have to do to support my argument is to say this: Look at the words, deeds and votes of the prime movers and shakers in the Democratic party:

Bill Clinton: Most antigun so-called "President" in history. Signed AWB in 1994.
John Kerry: 20 year long 100% antigun voting record in the Senate. Put up to run for President in 2004 by the socialist power brokers who run the Democratic party.
Al Gore: Cast the tiebreaking vote in the AWB ban vote in 1994 in the Senate. Tried to run for President in 2000 by lying about his true hatred for an armed citizenry.
Charles Schumer: Prime mover in pushing the AWB through the Senate in 1994.
Dianne Feinstein: "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate, 'Mr. and Mrs. America, TURN THEM ALL IN,' I would have done it."
Ted Kennedy: Antigun record in the Senate spanning decades.
Hillary Clinton: See "Bill Clinton" (above). The term "carbon copy" applies.

The list goes on and on.

Add to that the fact that The Brady Campaign financially supports every Democrat politician that runs for national office and then try to tell me that there are "moderate, gun-friendly Democrats" at the national level. That argument is insupportable with fact.

Holy Grail, huh? Why don't you support the arguement; in leiu of asking me to defend my McCarthy statement. Fact please.

In view of the history of antigun bigotry by Democrats in national office, it is inconceivable that you even ask that question.

Care to comment, Fisherman?

 

[Redworm]

so which party does support your gun rights?

http://sp-usa.org/ <-- that's the socialist party. the democrats want the same power that the republicans want, they just choose to go about it a different way. democrats want to control our finances, republicans want to control our social interaction. both have supported taking guns away.

everyone is free to list their greivances with a particular party but at least make your little rant somewhat useful by recommending a party that does support the bill of rights.

 

[steelheart]

everyone is free to list their greivances with a particular party but at least make your little rant somewhat useful by recommending a party that does support the bill of rights.

Weeeeeeeeell, based on recent history it would appear that the Republican party is more friendly - or less hostile, if you prefer - towards our right to arms.

Do not misconstrue this as an endorsement of John McCain, who is a RINO and is about as much of an antigun bigot as his Democratic friends.

 

[TheFacts]

Socialists exist in every facet of our society, whether they be a demoboob or republirat. As long as there are sheeple out there willing and able to surrender their personal freedoms for more gov`ment sponsored personal security, the evils of socialism WILL PREVAIL in BOTH PARTIES.






Curiosity yields evolution...satiety yields extinction.

 

[Fal 4 Me]

Do not misconstrue this as an endorsement of John McCain, who is a RHINO and is about as much of an antigun bigot as his Democratic friends.

I don't think that McCain will have many Democratic friends with the way he has been kissing GWB butt lately.

And let's not forget the wonderful ban GHWB signed into law. Can you say 922r parts count list?

 

[steelheart]

Not much difference...

I read the information on the Socialist Party website - no mention of gun rights for the individual; however, they do state that -

We stand for unconditional disarmament by the United States.

I would imagine that they would also stand for the unconditional disarmament of each and every citizen of the United States, which agrees with the Democrat party's outlook on the issue.

And let's not forget the wonderful ban GHWB signed into law. Can you say 922r parts count list?

And yes, George Herbert Walker Bush was an antigun bigot, regardless of the label he wore. He deserves no more of a free pass than do the socialist Democrats who want to destroy our right to arms.

 

[carbiner]

I notice how angry the left has become, the more people see what the dem/socilist party really is the less they will vote for so called democrates.

 

[steelheart]

"Is it proper to shoot Republicans?"

the more people see what the dem/socilist party really is the less they will vote for so called democrates.

We can only hope...

Speaking of the rage of the left/Democrats/socialists, remember when Kerry lost the election and they - Bill Maher chief among them - were blogging about "Is it proper to shoot (and presumably kill) Republicans?"

Hmmm.... Didn't someone once ask a similar question about Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals and other political enemies?

Do we really want people who think like that to have political power?

I don't think so.

First Succession, Now Murder Talk
The Dem Doom proceeds apace. Now it's taking on the meme of murdering Republicans. Yes, people, they are becoming irrelevant and pathetic before our eyes.

Democrats who think it's OK to use violence on people who voted for Bush better get something through their heads. Most Bush voters are gun owners and know how to use them.

Or to put it another way, your attempts at gun control, Democrats, have pi$$ed off the wrong crowd. Be nice.

From the blog at www.jameshudnall.com

 

[Cowman]

In the meantime while we screw around and our politicians and our media screw around playing Deomocrats vs Republicans more and more rights disapear.

The truth is that about half of Americans want to have a say in how the other half lives. Gay marriage, gun ownership, prayer in schools, diversity in schools, damn near everything in schools. People just need to butt out of it but they can't seem to and the politicians cater to that.

I really like the views and philosiphies of the Libertarians. Unfortunately I don't think they'll ever be strong or popular enough to win the big elections

 

[Redworm]

Weeeeeeeeell, based on recent history it would appear that the Republican party is more friendly - or less hostile, if you prefer - towards our right to arms.

Do not misconstrue this as an endorsement of John McCain, who is a RHINO and is about as much of an antigun bigot as his Democratic friends.

Understandable. I simply believe that my other rights are just as important; the first amendment is protected by the second but the second is useless without the first. I'm not fan of the Democrats but they are not the only party trying to take away rights.

 

[steelheart]

You are right, Redworm - neither (R) or (D) politicians are without sin.

IMO, all ten amendments of the Bill of Rights are equally important. I guess we have to draw the line somewhere.

I draw it at the Second Amendment - no way in hell am I going to vote for any politician who has a history of voting, acting and speaking to destroy my Second Amendment right to arms.

The NRA says the Second Amendment is the right that secures all others; I think there is a fair amount of truth to that. The right to arms is fundamental to a free people. IMO, it must be defended at all costs.

We know from history that The Founders of our nation put up with alot of crap from the Brits, but went to war when the Redcoats came to disarm them.

 

[Handy]

Really sir, how can you write that opening post and insist that you represent nothing but fact? Show me a document, broadcast or anything else that demonstrates that this:

The Democrat party wants socialist rule by autocratic means - in other words, the Democrat party wants absolute power with no accountability to We The People.

could in any way be shown to be a fact.

No one is going to listen to you if you can't understand the difference between a reasoned and even educated opinion and "facts", which are at least upheld by empiric evidence.


The fact that you then demand that someone else produce proof for their opinion just makes the opening rant that much more ridiculous.



I would like you to post a factual source for at least the above statement via statements or documents from policy making Democrat officials. No, what Rush said on AM radio today is not a source.

 

[carbiner]

Handy, the same same can be applied to Dan Rather and his fake stories or the NYT which prints propaganda all the time.
At least Rush doesn't denagrate guns and their owners or preach about more taxes to pay for loosers. I think most lefties are just mad and pout because Rush, Fox, Newsmax, Washington Times are getting facts out that people never new with the liberal rag media.

CNN is getting it's butt kicked by Fox news, Newspaper circulation is falling, people are sick of liberal news. People in general see the dem/socialist party is hungry for their money and guns.

 

[Wildcard]

Source:

The Voting records of: Kerry, Kennedy, Schumer, Rangel, Clinton (both of them), Gore, Feinstein, Boxer, and Leahy. Just to name a few source's. These are the big wigs in the Democratic Party, they set the tone. Look at their voting records and make your own decision.