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Wood County man carried pistol into Toledo park to challenge law
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A Wood County man who carried a loaded handgun in Ottawa Park to challenge Toledo’s ban on concealed weapons in city parks was convicted yesterday of a misdemeanor gun charge.

Toledo Municipal Court Judge Gene Zmuda found Bruce Beatty had violated a city ordinance that prohibits people from possessing concealed weapons in parks. He was fined $50 and ordered to pay court costs, which was stayed pending an appeal.

The trial was held after Judge Zmuda ruled the city ordinance doesn’t conflict with a state law that allows adults with permits to carry concealed weapons. He said the city has the authority under its home-rule power to prohibit guns in parks.

Wearing a 45-caliber pistol in a holster under his jacket, Mr. Beatty, of Luckey, Ohio, was cited on April 9 in Ottawa Park, where he sponsored a party to challenge the ban on concealed weapons in parks.



Mr. Beatty said after the trial that he would continue to fight the ordinance through an appeal to the Ohio 6th District Court of Appeals.

“I have complete respect for Judge Zmuda, but I am in total conflict with his decision. He said the ordinance is not in conflict with the general law and it does not prohibit me from doing what the law specifically says I can do, when, in fact, it does prohibit me because the law says I can carry a handgun anywhere in the state,’’ he said.

The law, which went in effect on April 8, 2004, specifically prohibits concealed weapons in schools, government buildings, and places of worships, but does not mention parks. The city’s ordinance banning guns in parks was enacted in 1996.

Before learning his sentence, Mr. Beatty told the court that he was not attempting to flout or break the law when he carried the gun into the park, but instead hoped to make public officials accountable in complying with the concealed-carry law.

However, Judge Zmuda said Mr. Beatty was clearly aware of the ban of weapons in parks and went to the park wearing a firearm, knowing it was in violation of the park regulation.

“To suggest that you were being duped somehow I think is really a mischaracterization of what happened here. You wanted to confront the issue. You wanted a ruling of some kind. You now have your ruling. The appellate courts will decide if the ruling will stand,” he said.

The judge’s decision upholding the city’s bans on guns in city parks was made in response to a request from Mr. Beatty to dismiss the case. The decision was issued before the hearing.

William Stephenson, an attorney representing Mr. Beatty, said the decision was contrary to the opinion of Ohio Attorney Jim Petro that the concealed-weapons statute was passed as a general law.

“But [Judge Zmuda] turns around and finds that it is not a general law. I am surprised and shocked at the decision. The city ordinance is in direct conflict with the state statute, but the court finds that there is no conflict,” Mr. Stephenson said.
 
Refusing to sit in the back of a bus started off the great civil rights movement of our time.

Refusing to obey unconstitutional laws is what is needed to start the Rights movement of today.

One lone, very brave, Black women made history by her actions, people of the RKBA should follow that example and do the same.

It's time to get into the face of your local governments as well as the federal government.

Just as our founding fathers, who many died in proverty, so did Rosa Parks. She wasn't just for her, she was for the principal of equal rights, as was our Forefathers.

The action of one, with the respect of others, will set off the revolution that is needed to make things right.

Wayne
 
One lone, very brave, Black women made history by her actions, people of the RKBA should follow that example and do the same.

Wish there were more of that man around. RKBA people in general wont do this, we are too afraid to upset the status quo. To bad, With the millions of gun owners, if we could get organized like say the gay marriage movement, then we could make some changes. I dont see it happening anytime soon.
 
Wish there were more of that man around. RKBA people in general wont do this, we are too afraid to upset the status quo. To bad, With the millions of gun owners, if we could get organized like say the gay marriage movement, then we could make some changes. I dont see it happening anytime soon.

Why not? Seems to me the better position is how do we.
 
Seems kind of a touchy issue. See I agree with you guys completely, without people standing up in the face of an unjust it'll never change. Alcohol prohibition was repealed because it was shown that the law was unjust and was unenforceable. It's the same reason I ignore laws against marijuana prohibition (well...not the reason of course but it's the reason the laws don't prevent me from doing what I want).

That being said, carrying a gun when a city ordinance prohibits it might cause a problem. I realize it's a worthy cause but I also have to consider the fact that a police officer's job is very tough. Making one deal with the hassle of arresting an armed citizen, while upsetting that he has to do it in the first place and that he'd be worried, is something I'd rather not make one have to put up with.

To be honest I'm not sure how I'd handle it. Illinois doesn't allow concealed carrying and when I finally do purchase a gun...I don't know if I'll keep it with me. I'd sure like to have it with me when I'm driving but I'm not about to walk into work with it.

:confused: a conundrum....I don't know what the right thing to do is
 
Redworm No offense, but for your sake, I hope you quit the pot ... and especially before you buy a gun. I've known several recreational pot smokers. A few used it as the proverbial gateway drug, most quit, and some continue to smoke to this day. Of the ones who continue, their lives and finances have stagnated without exception....just my experience. Plus, I'm not a lawyer, but getting caught with a gun while you are holding can't be too good.


IMHO, Civil disobedience is hard road to take for a group of people who are law abiding types ... as most gun owners are. The shame of being arrested, looked at as a nut, etc. To stand up, defy the law, and then submit takes a lot of guts along with a reasonable belief that you can succeed. I am afraid that success would be nearly impossible with the media against you. It seems to me that we would need an angle that would generate sympathy among the masses.
Perhaps a bunch of oldsters getting arrested for carrying ... because a gun is pretty much their only defense against the BGs ?

dunno ... I would be for anything that would work.
 
I don't want to turn this into a drug debate so I'll send you my response via PM. But I do want to point out to everyone that just as I would never drive under the influence of alcohol, pot, or any other drug I also wouldn't dare touch a gun under such circumstances.
 
The real power is in the legislature. Not under a billy club. The fact it, Ohio needs a state pre-emption law. In this state, cities have been known to flout a specfic law that prohibits them from "banning" guns. Still, they do it. The only protection gun owners have is the law. Without it, many of use would be convicted. The courts rarely care about true liberties and mostly about sin liberties. I will leave it at that.
 
The real power is in the legislature. Not under a billy club. The fact it, Ohio needs a state pre-emption law. In this state, cities have been known to flout a specfic law that prohibits them from "banning" guns. Still, they do it. The only protection gun owners have is the law. Without it, many of use would be convicted. The courts rarely care about true liberties and mostly about sin liberties. I will leave it at that.

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Pre-emption laws are as important as CCW laws. Without them any county, city or town could simply pass ordnances prohibiting your rights. The unfortunate part is that in many states with large metropolitan areas, the cities want to regulate guns themselves and have powerful representation in the state legislature due to their populations.
 
Refusing to sit in the back of a bus started off the great civil rights movement of our time.
No,,not really. It started several years prior to that event. Executive Order 9981 issued in 1948 is probably a better start date for the civil rights movement. EO 9981 deals with desegragation of the military.

One lone, very brave, Black women made history by her actions, people of the RKBA should follow that example and do the same.

A few years back I posted a standing offer to the board to research the gun /anti gun policies of any retailers for anyone doing their Christmas shopping. I set aside from 3:00AM to 6:00AM each day from Thanksgiving till Dec 24th to do any on line searching.
I'd get up @ 3:00 and open TFL in a browser and patiently wait for anyone to inquire. (FWIW, there wasn't a single taker).

Anyhow, I used the time to delve into the Rosa Parks incident. There's an enormous amount of information available on line about the events leading up to it, and the people that were involved in it. It wasn't long before I realized that the "lone tired Black woman, acting on her own" story was pure myth.

I came to the conclusion that the Rosa Parks incident was a masterpiece of planning and execution on a nationwide level. The NAACP orchestrated and coordinated just about every single detail of the incident.

It was sad on one hand to see the "lone individual" side of the story evaporate. It was awe inspiring on the other hand to realize that a large and well coordinated guerilla-style peaceful oriented movement existed that rivaled that of Ghandi's.

The real story of Rosa Parks and that day on the bus took years of planning and several false starts. It spanned the entire Eastern side of the US, from Minnesota all the way down to Florida. It's facinating reading. One day I hope all the truth about it comes out. It took massive amounts of money, manpower and pure guts (and sadly no small measure of blood) to put it all together. Rosa is remebered for her success. There were several others that weren't as successful. Sadly some of them sacrificed their lives and freedom over it.
 
Question: While we're protestin' - why not protest Fed gun laws, too?

Because unlike a $50 city ordinance, the penealty for breaking Federal gun laws is 10 years and $10k. That is of course if you survive being arrested by an army of Federal agents who kill your dog and drive tanks through your house. ;)
 
Beatty has a good chance of winning on appeal. The Ohio CCW law contains a section that addresses local ordinances, which it pre-empts. Ohio Attorney General Petro has stated that the Toledo ordinance is in violation of state law. This is backed up by last year's Ohio Supreme Court ruling that openly carrying a firearm is a fundamental human right. There is no way this ruling against Beatty should stand.
 
Because unlike a $50 city ordinance, the penealty for breaking Federal gun laws is 10 years and $10k. That is of course if you survive being arrested by an army of Federal agents who kill your dog and drive tanks through your house.

True to a degree - but isn't it possible to arrange it so that your arrest is relatively peaceful?
 
I dont know about parks in your town

BUt most in Fort wayne Indiana.
MOST
they should issue hand guns to people.
 
Hal,

I know about that, but I name Rosa Parks because a lot of people don't. They remember or have read about the "lone black women" who refused, unlike you, they haven't researched the entire history of the event.

But, with pass failures and everything, she had some major cajones to do what she did.

As for the desegregation of the military, that was a system that is commanded directly via the President. To "allow" blacks (or coloreds back then) was purely a politic thing. Be the first to treat "coloreds" as people after we just had a great war and during they performed exceptionally well, including manning aircraft and being one hell of a fighter squadron to boot.

Even with all the crap they had to go through back then, they never allowed anyone to put them down, did their job, and were still proud to be Americans even if America didn't want them around at the time.

I know that many people will look at my comparing the Civil Rights movements as somehow being racist or something, that always happens when a white boy takes history and points to it as being what we should be now, just because my biggest motivation of what I think hinges upon what a whole people accomplished back then in recent history and then hinges on what others did over 200 years ago.

All I'm saying that our Republic didn't come just because someone said, "oh, okay", it came from violent civil disobedience. The Civil Rights movement came from peaceful, to full violent, disobedience. And right now, we are in danger of losing everything that everyone has fought for, because we are afraid to do any type of disobedience.

I'm afraid for our Republic, I'll tell you the truth. As I go about my day, I can be bright and happy, beaming to all that surrounds me, yet in my heart, I am saddened as each day, each sound bite, each thing that I see that is an injustice happens, and then come upon the boards and to read or watch TV, it was just another day.

Wayne
 
The Ohio CCW law contains a section that addresses local ordinances, which it pre-empts. Ohio Attorney General Petro has stated that the Toledo ordinance is in violation of state law. This is backed up by last year's Ohio Supreme Court ruling that openly carrying a firearm is a fundamental human right. There is no way this ruling against Beatty should stand.

Definate +1

That the judge would even think about openly defying STATE LAW and the rulings of the supreme court and attorney general on the matter, makes me question wether or not he is even fit to be a judge. Sounds like he just did it to "show this guy who the boss was".
 
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