Aguila Blanca
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But he DOES consider them to be his guns. Again quoting from the original post:peetzakilla said:
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Gun Ownership Questions
- Thread starter Mikef262
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I have a certain .410 shotgun that my dad bought for me before i was born.
better call BATFE. that's a straw purchase if i ever heard it.
Just saying, theres a difference between yours and "yours". I think its pretty common for a family member to buy a firearm for someone else. Without registration whos to say who officially owns it.
If the firearm isnt easily accessible, who cares if a kid says this 10/22 is mine and this 10/22 is my dads.
Its more a designation of who uses which one than who legally owns each one. Its clear the head of the household is the owner.
NOW- on the other side of the fence:
I would be careful about the whole giving your dad money to buy firearms for you. Thats weird in my book.
If i were you I'd put that money in a bank account and let it roll interest until you turn 18, and borrow your dad's guns, under his supervision, in the meantime.
better call BATFE. that's a straw purchase if i ever heard it.
Just saying, theres a difference between yours and "yours". I think its pretty common for a family member to buy a firearm for someone else. Without registration whos to say who officially owns it.
If the firearm isnt easily accessible, who cares if a kid says this 10/22 is mine and this 10/22 is my dads.
Its more a designation of who uses which one than who legally owns each one. Its clear the head of the household is the owner.
NOW- on the other side of the fence:
I would be careful about the whole giving your dad money to buy firearms for you. Thats weird in my book.
If i were you I'd put that money in a bank account and let it roll interest until you turn 18, and borrow your dad's guns, under his supervision, in the meantime.
No, that would qualify as a gift, since he purchased it with his own money. Had he purchased it with money you gave him, it would qualify as a straw purchase.I have a certain .410 shotgun that my dad bought for me before i was born. better call BATFE. that's a straw purchase if i ever heard it.
(Such an explanation involves time travel, and that just makes my head hurt, so we'll skip it.)
One of the elements of a straw purchase has nothing to do with the eventual recipient, but with whose money it's being bought. The OP's description of the situation is a classic straw purchase, yours is a gift. It seems a small distinction, but in the eyes of the law, it isn't.
Uncle Buck
New member
The reference for Missouri which states you need the sheriff to approve all purchases is no longer valid.
When I first came to Missouri, this was a true statement. I can not recall exactly when this changed, but now you go to the gun store, pick out which gun you want (pistol or rifle/shotgun), do the paperwork and if approved, take it home with you.
Guys, I really think you are picking apart apples and oranges. Mike could (Should) have been a little clearer in his post, but the way it works with Mike and his Dad is: Dad has the final say so on these guns. Mike does not have access to these guns with-out dads permission. (He can only take them out when he is under the supervision of dad or one of his uncles.) Dad could sell them at anytime. Legally the guns are Dads.
Mike says they are his guns, i.e., When talking with his friends about his guns, he says "Well, I have this cool pistol...." If his friends want to see the cool pistol, they have to wait for dad to come home. Dad is going to give him the guns when he becomes of legal age.
Just like my nephew who told everyone about his gun. It is amazing how much better he takes care of "His" guns than he does mine.
He is not 18. His father remains in possession of the guns. I understand what most of you are saying, but this is so gray as to be almost white. If my nephew gave me money to buy a gun for him, that would be different, because he does not live with me.
Please take in to account that Mike is 14 years old. Most 14 year olds, although smart, do not understand the nuances of the English Language (Heck, I have trouble with it!) nor the nuances of the law (I have even more trouble understanding this!).
I just do not want Mike to get scared off of TFL. We all have the oppurtunity to increase his knowledge and welcome another young shooter in to our hobby. I PM'd Mike and explained some things about Missouri and Federal Law. Please give Mike the benefit of the doubt here and remember he is young (and impressionabled).
When I first came to Missouri, this was a true statement. I can not recall exactly when this changed, but now you go to the gun store, pick out which gun you want (pistol or rifle/shotgun), do the paperwork and if approved, take it home with you.
Guys, I really think you are picking apart apples and oranges. Mike could (Should) have been a little clearer in his post, but the way it works with Mike and his Dad is: Dad has the final say so on these guns. Mike does not have access to these guns with-out dads permission. (He can only take them out when he is under the supervision of dad or one of his uncles.) Dad could sell them at anytime. Legally the guns are Dads.
Mike says they are his guns, i.e., When talking with his friends about his guns, he says "Well, I have this cool pistol...." If his friends want to see the cool pistol, they have to wait for dad to come home. Dad is going to give him the guns when he becomes of legal age.
Just like my nephew who told everyone about his gun. It is amazing how much better he takes care of "His" guns than he does mine.
He is not 18. His father remains in possession of the guns. I understand what most of you are saying, but this is so gray as to be almost white. If my nephew gave me money to buy a gun for him, that would be different, because he does not live with me.
Please take in to account that Mike is 14 years old. Most 14 year olds, although smart, do not understand the nuances of the English Language (Heck, I have trouble with it!) nor the nuances of the law (I have even more trouble understanding this!).
I just do not want Mike to get scared off of TFL. We all have the oppurtunity to increase his knowledge and welcome another young shooter in to our hobby. I PM'd Mike and explained some things about Missouri and Federal Law. Please give Mike the benefit of the doubt here and remember he is young (and impressionabled).
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Aguila Blanca
Staff
I think we all understand that and I think all responses to him have been with the intention of keeping him (and his father) out of prison.Uncle Buck said:Please give Mike the benefit of the doubt here and remember he is young (and impressionabled).
If nothing else, one hopes he is learning that words have meanings, and (like the proverbial e-mail once you hit SEND), what you post on the Internet is pretty much out there for the world to see. So when posting on the Internet, it's never a good idea to be in a hurry and post a partial version.
Compare what his original post said to the version of custody of the guns in your post, for example. When this discussion began, ALL we knew was what was in the original post.