Gun Owners/NRA members need to vote with our feet.

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jkkimberfan

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Many of us are stuck in anti gun cities and states such as NJ, NY, MD, IL, CA, MA, etc.. due to work or family reason. We live in these cities and states hoping things will change. In these hard core "Demoratic" liberal cities and states it is highly unlikely things will change in our favor any time soon. Gun control is entrenched in these cities and states, the Demorats have a firm hold on power. I am a realist. My vote for pro gun candidates never makes a difference in my Northeast blue state, the Demorats win everything here, these states are full of anti gun liberals, end of story. Anyway, instead of "staying and fighting" I think it is better to MOVE. This is a win win situation. First, by moving, you will immediately gain your 2nd Amend rights. And second, you will take away your tax dollars and spending money from your anti gun city/state. If enough of us gun owners MOVED to pro gun states, the anti gun states would be left to themselves, full of anti gun types. The criminals would go wild preying on these unarmed victims. Crime would surge so much, it would be clear even to the most anti gun types that guns are a good thing, they provide protection and are a deterrent to criminals. Since the anti gun states would be the high crime states and the pro gun states would be the low crime states, it would be obvious that CCW by law abiding citizens is the way to go and I think this approach would yield the quickest results for CCW in all 50 states, quicker than is happening now (which is not much). If the NRA would call for a nationwide BOYCOTT of all anti gun cities and states and ask that all gun owners and 2nd Amendment supporters move out of these anti gun cities and states and move to a pro gun city/state, this could prove our point once and for all. Of course, it would be difficult for every pro gun person to move, but if most would try, it could have a significant impact. I would be willing to relocate to a pro gun state. I bet there are many others that would be willing to do so also. This loss of revenue by us law abiding types would really hurt these anti gun cities/states. Such a boycott would take a few years, but I don't see anything happening any sooner in these anti gun cities/states. If anything, they are getting even more anti 2nd Amendment. Gun owners and NRA members need to speak up and take some bold action. The NRA's gas company boycotts are a joke. We need MAJOR ACTION. 1/3 of this country is trapped in these anti 2nd Amendment cities/states. Something must be done to spread CCW to all 50 states ASAP.
 
Your plan is unrealistic in that it fails to consider all the variables involved. For instance, not every pro gun state has the amenities which are common in places like Los Angeles.

A much better plan is get involved yourself. Run for office yourself or help someone else run for office. Become politically active in your community and expand from there. If more pro RKBA people did this our voices would be a LOT louder than they are after being funneled through the NRA.

You can't stop 65 million people who have a serious conviction that they're right, know they're right and who are willing to actually physically stand up for their rights be getting involved on the front line.
 
I am not married and have no children nor did I have a great job so I was fortunate enough to have an easier move to Arizona from Illinois.

The way I see it, even though groups like the NRA may have some political influence, if you really have a hardcore anti-gun society than includes both the government and people that make up the majority of the voting population of a state like Illinois, then the NRA, GOA or anyone else is going to have a real battle they hardly could ever win.

If you never been to the heaviest populated part of Illinois which includes the Chicago area, it is a very, very liberal, democrat society of soccer moms, parents of gangbangers, Hispanics, Jews and Muslims who just don't want the average Joe to own a semi-auto rifle or carry and concealed handgun.

Hardly a society that cares what the NRA has to say.
 
Unfortunately

reality intrudes....

All my family, friends, business is here...I'm stuck, at least for the near and middle future....
 
Although I like the original poster's enthusiasm, my roots are here in MD and rather than run from the problem, I've decided to stay and try to fix it.

I like to think we're on the right path. I was recently on the Ron Smith radio show, and had a great time. We're seeing a real push for CCW here this year, and if we could get more gun owners involved, we could make progress.

Change only happens when good people stick around and give a ****. ;)
 
Another way to look at this, strickly from gun control issue, a few more pro-gun residents won't help that much in pro-gun states, but the loss of those pro-gunners from anti-states will have an impact on the anti-gunners. Pro-gunners in anti areas force the antis like the Brady Bunch to spend time and resources keeping everything they have won in those states. That minimizes their effectiveness in other states. If they didn't have to spend money in states like NY/MA/MD, etc. to keep the gun bans in place, they'd have lots more money for junk like the national AW ban renewal and a .50 caliber ban.
 
RobP wrote: "For instance, not every pro gun state has the amenities which are common in places like Los Angeles"
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Just curious, but what "amenities" are available in PRCA that aren't available elsewhere? :confused:
 
Amenities like the ability to get a decent cup of coffee at 4 a.m. Amenities like the opera and dramatic arts. Higher education without having to move away from home. Etc.

Most small towns roll up the sidewalks by 7 p.m. There's usually no college and the closest university is in another state. The "Arts" are generally sacrificed for "chores" and the local beer joinst DOES NOT qualify as "fine dining".

Remember, not everyone thinks the simple life is for them.
 
The whole concept of moving away from an anti-gun state is fundamentally flawed. I say that because California used to be (40-50 years ago) pro-gun, as was the nation as a whole. The anti-gun problems started when liberals moved here from other locations and, in such a high concentration, changed the political climate of the cities enough to affect the state. There is no reason they couldn't do the same thing elsewhere.

Tim
 
Finding employment is a major concern. I've searched for jobs nation wide in my field and there just aren't many openings right now.
 
Things can change even for us caught behind enemy lines. In the near term, Bush's new supreme court can now give good solid RKBA rulings, which will help tremendously. In the longer term, by supporting your state RKBA organization, the NRA, and voting republican, things can move in a better direction.
 
Just curious, but what "amenities" are available in PRCA that aren't available elsewhere?
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Insignificant little things like jobs, families, etc.

Name one "big city" that is perfect, and it'll quickly become not so perfect because everyone will move there.
 
Hey Rebar and everyone else,do any of you remember that the NRA supported the NFA and GCA of 1968?
.Also many republicans don't see a sporting purpose in a semi auto that holds more than 10 rounds or has a conspicuious pistol grip.





What would Master Shake do?
 
I am stuck here in the suburbs of NYC alias Liberal central. The idea as I see it is to fight here as hard as possible so as to keep the hoplohobes from spending time and money elsewhere. I say we offer them burnt earth. No compromise. No surrender. We fight until we are victorious or......
 
Amenities like the ability to get a decent cup of coffee at 4 a.m. Amenities like the opera and dramatic arts. Higher education without having to move away from home. Etc.

Most small towns roll up the sidewalks by 7 p.m. There's usually no college and the closest university is in another state. The "Arts" are generally sacrificed for "chores" and the local beer joinst DOES NOT qualify as "fine dining".

Remember, not everyone thinks the simple life is for them.
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Come on now, you don't really think LA is the only place you can get a cup of coffee at 4 a.m. do you? I have a Waffle House right around the corner from my house :D Belive it or not, we have a lot of the dramatic arts right here in Columbia SC. :barf: (not my cup of tea) Oh, and the real USC, where BTW, I work. Yes, a higher education. We have a Law School, USC School of Medicine, and we are in the process of building the largest research campus in the Southeast. Fine dining? Well, we have a few "high priced joints" in town that are actually quite nice. Again, not my cup of tea, but they are there. Best of all, I can go to my local gun shop and get me a 30 rd. magazine and an AR-15 to go with it :D
I did visit San Francisco back in September, and I will admit, I do see the attraction to the city. I'm looking forward to being able to return one day. Just hope it is safe with all the honest people loosing their rights.
 
Belive it or not, we have a lot of the dramatic arts right here in Columbia SC.
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Not knock any specific place, but I do not believe that Columbia SC qualifies as a "small town". To define a "small town" as I know them: Try a place with a population of 15,000 or less in a 50 mile radius and see if you can find ANYTHING open at 4 a.m. besides the local truck stop. Most places that small don't even have a donut shop open at that hour.

NYC never sleeps. Neither does N.Orleans, Miami, Ft Worth/Dallas, SF, Seattle, etc. If your idea of "living" is to not be at home, those places are perfect.
 
Try a place with a population of 15,000 or less in a 50 mile radius
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Sometimes.....this sounds really nice! But in all honesty, there is really nothing to do here in Columbia, unless you like college sports, you're a student, politician or a bar fly. The nearest outdoor public shooting ranges are about 50 miles in either direction, same with the Game Management areas to hunt on. Local Mayor keeps trying to invent things to bring people to Columbia for conventions. But when Myrtle Beach and Charleston are in the same area, Columbia cannot hold a candle to it.
 
Don't think moving would help at all - after the last freedom loving gun owner moved out of the "occupied territories," the political leadership there would still have massive crime and violence on thier hands. So they'd simply start exporting thier failed politics to the "lands of freedom" under the excuse that since the people out there were still free and doing things "wrongly," that things in thier citys were our fault not thiers - that we were exporting problems into the city... And we'd have no say in the matter since they could focus thier political might unopposed and would have the edge populationwise.

So stay put.

Besides, all you city folks can keep your "ammenities," your wall to wall traffic, your wonderful air, your uber clean water, your vastly superior utility systems, and all your people with thier cast off and residue. Stay there and fight for your rights - I'll cheer ya from the free seats and MY open spaces. You wouldn't like my place anyway - no coffee at 4 a.m. or even 6 a.m. - until someone gets up to make it anyway. AND we haven't heard of opera yet - too busy listening to the coyote quintata. :cool:
 
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