Gun glut is blamed for Philly killings

The number of people licensed to carry handguns in Philadelphia surged to 31,000 from 700 in October 1995, when Pennsylvania relaxed its gun laws, Johnson said. The state doesn't require a permit or waiting period, and there's no limit on purchases.

"It's not people beating each other to death or stabbing each other," said Diane Edbril, executive director of CeaseFire PA, a nonprofit group that aims to curb gun violence. "There is really an unlimited flow of handguns."
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And in that same period of time, the number of people getting broadband internet has increased by the same factor as the number of people with CCL's. But is that relevant?

If it's people killing each other with CCL's, then maybe there's a connection. My guess is it's not or they would have said so.

So how are people legally carrying guns magically making people carrying illegal guns shoot each other?
 
I saw that too. Very poor article. I pictured thousands of guns on little feet, running around Philly and shooting people. The article tries to make the reader believe that LICENSED gun toters are responsible for this latest mess, and that, somehow, being able to buy more than one gun LEGALLY, by LICENSED individuals is the root-cause.:barf: :barf: :barf: The author makes my bird look like a scholar.
Josh
 
The number of people licensed to carry handguns in Philadelphia surged to 31,000 from 700 in October 1995, when Pennsylvania relaxed its gun laws, Johnson said. The state doesn't require a permit or waiting period, and there's no limit on purchases.
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Ok, and what was the rate of violent crime in 1995-96? Not saying? Could it be that licensed firearms aren't the problem? Could it be that legit firearms owners aren't the problem? How many non-firearms violent offenses happened in that time frame? Could it be that the guns themselves aren't the issue, but in their absense people make due with whatever is at hand? 31,000 "legal" civilians with handguns in a city of, what, 2,000,000 or so people? Sounds to me like there aren't enough firearm armed people out there to provide a credible deterrent. Oh, and why haven't I heard of these people being charged with violent crime? Oh, could it be that they aren't the ones committing them?
It's not people beating each other to death or stabbing each other," said Diane Edbril, executive director of CeaseFire PA, a nonprofit group that aims to curb gun violence. "There is really an unlimited flow of handguns.
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What was the weaponry of choice before and shortly after all of this? What changes in the crime rate are you seeing? Could it be that the guns being used are illegally obtained ones?

Nah, it is gun-grabber double talk and FUD. Alarmist, but without substance.
 
Homicides already have exceeded last year's total of 330. Most were black men between the ages of 18 and 25. The increase is the second straight at a time when the number of killings is falling in larger cities including New York, Los Angeles and Chicago.

"We could have a cop on every single corner. It wouldn't matter," Sylvester Johnson, Philadelphia's police chief, said earlier this month. "

The number of people licensed to carry handguns in Philadelphia surged to 31,000 from 700 in October 1995, when Pennsylvania relaxed its gun laws, Johnson said. The state doesn't require a permit or waiting period, and there's no limit on purchases.
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Someone's gonna try to tell me that these black men between the ages of 18 and 25 are going out, getting permits to carry concealed handguns, and then using them to murder their peers over frivolous disputes? :rolleyes: :barf:

I mean, THAT IS what the article is claiming. They are making the direct implication that the increase in the number of CCW licensees has now resulted in the increased murder rate. Of course, they show an increase in CCW dating back to 1995, even though this murder spike is a current thing. If the CCW increase were responsible, wouldn't the murders have been increasing steadily along with the CCW licensure increase over time?

:mad: This is disgusting biased journalism. They lead a duped public into making false correlations in their minds, because they have a hard-on against guns. Sickening. And they call themselves journalists. They are PROPAGANDISTS.


-azurefly
 
Well it is quite simple. The drug market can only support so many dealers. So if there are too many dealers. Other drug dealers will kill the weaker dealers and take their share of the drug trade. Simple Darwin type actions taking place.:rolleyes:
 
what is the chance that people who engage in drugs, gangs and other activities will aquire guns illegaly and kill each other....:rolleyes:

should start making reporters wear dunce caps........
 
They would probably have better success if they banned black people, at least until the whites, mexicans, asians, etc come in to pick up the slack.:barf:

Why can't they admit it when some of their programs (Welfare, War on some drugs, etc) cause more problems than they solve.
 
Currently there are 5.8 million people living in Philadelphia. Under the 2000 census, 46.46% are male and of that 45% are white and 43% are black. I don't think its a black and white issue. I think it's an economic issue. The poverty level here is on the rise and the education system has broken down. the result, an increase in the under-educated poor. What are they going to do? Turn to drugs and crime to make money.The city government has not stepped up like New York or Chicago to stop and fight crime. The increase in CCL holders is because of the high crime. I don't live in a bad part of town but on any given night you can run into a group of unsavory people. I think they are trying to focus blam on CCL holders instead of the police and city government which refuses to do anything about the problem.

I work and live in the city and I gurantee that the people commiting these crimes are not the CCL holders!

Oh and given the numbers, .53 percent of the population owns a CCL.

The media here makes me sick! :barf:
 
We are on the road of self-destruction.

We need no other problems to go there, we are on that road and it is getting more and more apparant in the bigger cities on a daily basis.

Try to cover it up with bad media and it is just that more apparant, I don't think there is a way to clear this up with the current trend. Media (all) are on a collision course with disaster.
It is just waiting to happen, Katrina is one of many signals but we are not able to read the handwriting that is on the wall.

Stop immigration, it will, make more jobs available to the ones living hear legally.
It would take a decade to even see the result, if we started tommorrow.
No more immigration period. Close the borders and try to revitalize what we have here.

Harley
 
I was a senior legislative staff person in PA when the Commonwealth "relaxed its gun laws". The so called "relaxing" of Pa's guns laws forced Philly to conform to the State shall issue law for CCPs. For years, Philly ignored the State law that the county sheriff issued carry permits and did it via the city Police Dept. which just did not issue and the reason "The number of people licensed to carry handguns in Philadelphia surged to 31,000 from 700 in October 1995..." was because the city was forced to abide by state law. Before the "relaxing" one could purchase a hand gun and walk out with it just showing a CCP. Now with the "relaxing" of gun laws, one must undergo an NCIC check. One reads EVERY day about shootings in Philly, and the folks doing the shooting are not CCP folks. In short, it's a totally bogus issue which Sylvester Johnson, Philadelphia's police chief is attempting to use as a cover for his ineptness to address the REAL reasons for gun crime in Philly.
 
Not to mention that the Philly Government could teach the Government of New Orleans a thing or two about corruption.

But newspapers themes such as this are standard fodder these days, probably because the lefties know about the San Francisco handgun ban and wish to emulate it.
 
Oyster & K80 you are both right on the money! Hopefully when our corrupt mayor leaves the next person in will try and bring some safety to this city.
 
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