'Gun-Free' London

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1221 wounded or killed by firearms in 2005. It is now three times higher than before the gun ban.:rolleyes:
 
Yes, but the Socialists feel extra swarmy at tea in discussing how they banned guns.:D

Isn't feeling more swarmy worth a few dead shopkeepers? Blimey, they probably don't vote Labour.:D
 
I don't know what "swarmy" means, but I think that the Brits who are happy with the ban are the ones who are incapable of understanding anything about "rates" of violence -- all they understand is raw "numbers".

They will look at the number, 1221, and say, "Oooh, it's thousands less than the Yanks!" And they won't even be able to mentally approach the fact that it's many percent more than they were having to deal with before their criminals came to know that only criminals have guns there now. And they certainly won't be able to handle the fact that after a gun ban, there should be no reason to expect gun violence to go UP at all, unless bans are simply not the solution they believe them to be.


-azurefly
 
az, it means feeling part of the hive as in a mass of bees. Feeling part of the collective. Socialists, being insects, like to flock together and do what the queen bee (or George Soros) tells them to do.:)

Of course, I could have used "smarmy" as well--smug, false earnestness.:D
 
do we have any sources for these numbers? if it's true that their firearm death rate is three times higher than before their gun ban I'd like to be able to take that into a debate with some antis on another forum I frequent
 
 
From that "thisislondon" site:

Crime in Britain is rocketing with sharp rises in gun and violence offences, figures will reveal this week.

Overall crime rose by six per cent last year, with muggings up by 20 per cent and violence offences rising by more than 70 per cent in places.

The London figures, revealed by the Evening Standard in April, will show overall crime up by six per cent with mugging up by 38 per cent. At the same time detection rates are falling with only one offence in four resulting in a conviction.

The national figures are believed to be among the worst in a decade and will increase pressure on David Blunkett. Scotland Yard says street crime shot up in London when patrol officers were diverted to anti-terrorist duties in central London following 11 September.

Criminals took advantage of the lack of police on the streets to go on a crime spree resulting in a 50 per cent increase in robberies in three months.
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What really sucks is that it seems that there is a large chunk of the population who will behave only when there are keepers watching over them; when they feel they are not under scrutiny, they will behave criminally. (Particularly in Britain, it seems.)

What on earth can gun or knife laws do to stop crime in such a situation? Nothing!

The problem, clearly, is a desire on the part of individuals to engage in crime! When they feel they can get away with it, there is a whole group of people who have no compunctions about being criminals!

So England continues to pretend that the answer is to control the weapons; and it says and does nothing about the fact that something is responsible for raising a crop of people who wish to commit criminal acts and do so whenever they can.


-azurefly
 
They will look at the number, 1221, and say, "Oooh, it's thousands less than the Yanks!" And they won't even be able to mentally approach the fact that it's many percent more than they were having to deal with before their criminals came to know that only criminals have guns there now. And they certainly won't be able to handle the fact that after a gun ban, there should be no reason to expect gun violence to go UP at all, unless bans are simply not the solution they believe them to be.
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It is thousands less than the Yanks.... and the mere fact that the crime has increased since the gun ban does not extrapolate into what criminals know or dont know, in point of fact, GB was essentially disarmed BEFORE the gun ban....., and we all know gun bans are not effective although this continual harping on English statistics to provide support for the proposition is so STUPID as to beggar description.

WildhowsthatforcantankerousAlaska
 
Can't escape the fact that there is no real justification for gun crime to go UP one iota once the people who used to be able to legally own guns have been stripped of them -- UNLESS you recognize that gun bans never succeed in ridding a society of guns and gun crime.

I'm not using it to prove anything: I knew that CCW in britain was nearly nonexistent before the ban in 1997. But as the brits keep looking to ban more and more things, I think it's important to talk about the folly of it all. They have a problem with their population. It seems like being a hooligan, or an outright criminal, is the aspiration of a growing number of brits. Yes, the U.S. has a problem with various segments of its population, too, but we are far less inclined to ban the tools they use while giving the criminals themselves a pass, than the brits are.


-azurefly
 
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