Gun control is global flop

Oatka

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A rehash of known info, but nicely gathered together in one article. Not that this will deter the antis though.

I've seen folks from Oz (on another board) deny the Australian stats - are they (stats) off base or misconstrued?


Gun control is global flop

The most recent crusades for gun control seem to have fizzled, and that's just as well, not only for the sake of the freedom and safety of most Americans, but also for the public reputations of those who push the banning of firearms. There is an ever-increasing amount of evidence that gun control is a failure, not only in the United States but in other countries, too.

The ancient and honorable nation of Japan has the distinction of enjoying perhaps the most rigorous gun-control laws in the world outside of communist states. With no tradition whatsoever of individual liberty and a powerful tradition of placing the integrity of the group -- family and nation -- over the individual, Japanese lawmakers have never felt the slightest hesitation in outlawing most gun ownership and punishing severely those who break the laws.

In Japan, even possessing a handgun and a bullet puts you in prison for 15 years. Other laws have been tightened and toughened since 1991, and even armored car guards don't carry firearms. Only police officers and soldiers can carry guns at all, and the cops have to leave their guns in a safe when they leave work.

According to gun-control dogmas, that should pretty much keep gun violence down. But it doesn't, in Japan anymore than in this country. The Washington Post recently carried a report on the increasing incidence of gun violence in the Land of the Rising Gun.

The number of crimes committed with handguns last year was higher than in any year since records have been kept, and the rate this year threatens to be even higher. An administrator in Japan's National Police Agency told the Post, "Since 1994 or 1995 there's been a clear change; the guns are now becoming dispersed in the population. We are worried about it. Crimes are becoming more violent, more serious. And handguns are very efficient weapons for that." So much for the effectiveness of gun control.

The people in Japan who do have guns are the members of the "yakuza," as the Japanese organized crime cartel is known. As the Post reports: "The yakuza are the exception. Experts believe most of the estimated 80,000 underworld members have weapons, and police have been unable or unwilling to dent that figure." Does that remind you of anything? When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

Japan, however, is not the only gun-controlling society to sport rising gun violence. The same is true in Australia, where a new law last year confiscated virtually all handguns in the country and destroyed them. It doesn't matter. Now violent crimes committed by guns are on the rise Down Under.

One year after the mass confiscation of handguns, homicides in Australia have increased 3.2 percent. Assaults have risen by 8.6 percent, and armed robberies have increased by a whopping 44 percent. In one state (Victoria), homicides with firearms have risen 300 percent, despite the government ban. The figures on armed robberies are especially instructive, since these crimes in particular had been falling for some 25 years. Now all of a sudden, with privately owned guns outlawed, they start increasing dramatically.

Similar statistics come from Great Britain, long the gun controllers' showcase country. There, where privately owned handguns were effectively banned a few years ago after a mass shooting by a crazed homosexual, crime figures show an increase in England and Wales for the first time in six years. The number of robberies, mostly mugging, increased by 19 percent. Violent offenses increased by 5 percent, and sexual offenses rose by 2 percent. Statistics from the Home Office show that the City of London suffered the greatest increase in crime -- 22 percent.

In the United States, however, violent crime continues to fall, for reasons no one seems to be able to figure out. The high rate of incarceration and the ageing of the criminal population are often cited, but the increase in conceal carry laws, which let law-abiding citizens carry concealed firearms, is not often mentioned as reasons for the drop in violent crimes in this country. University of Chicago economist John Lott is one expert who's shown there is a very real link between the decline of violent crime and the availability of firearms; his book, "More Guns, Less Crime," has been virtually ignored by the establishment media..

But the connection ought to be obvious enough. When law-abiding people have guns and criminals know they have them, it's the criminals who have reason to be afraid, and they pick on softer targets that can't shoot back. When guns are criminilized, as in most crime-ridden American cities and in countries like Japan, Australia and Great Britain, only the yakuza and its cousins around the world will have guns, and it's the law-abiding who have to live in fear.

©2000 Creators Syndicate, Inc.



[This message has been edited by Oatka (edited September 08, 2000).]
 
Oatka. FACTS are wasted on anti-gun advocates. They are first and foremost traitors to their native land. As such, they rank among the lowest forms of life.

Since their agenda is to control lives and destroy liberty, they can not listen to any facts.

Facts simply do not help them so they have no use for them.
 
Hey Oatka, I know of a few other folks who would be thrilled to see that article. ;)

zook
 
Yeah, just the thing to push a few right over the edge... :D

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It comes from an indomitable will. -- Mahatma Gandhi
 
The Aussie stats are old. The murder rate up 3% (given how few murders they have anyway) is probably insignificant. The year after that, the murder rate dropped more (I don't recall the number), but still not much. Basically, the law seems to not have reduced the murder rate- but we can't really claim it has increased it. Property crimes, maybe.

And the Japanese murder rate is very low compared to us, I think we would be happy to take their crime problem and give them ours...
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>but the increase in conceal carry laws, which let law-abiding citizens carry concealed firearms, is not often mentioned as reasons for the drop in violent crimes in this country[/quote]

Yea heaven forbid that the truth be known by all! If we keep the truth supressed we have a better chance of getting our guns taken away! That is the way it should be! :rolleyes:

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Try to take away my gun...and you will see my 2nd Amendment Right in ACTION!!! -Me

FOR THE CHILDREN!!!!
 
I suggest strongly you go and read the article "When Facts Lie", by senior Sporting Shooters Association of Australia researcher Paul Peake.

It is a rebuttal of the government attempts to "manipulate" stats and data to make it appear the "Great Gun Buyback" was a success.

It's available as a .pdf document for download.

Here's the link:

http://www.ssaa.org.au/paulpeake.PDF

The conclusion is this:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The facts, as opposed to the theories, are clear - more people were murdered in 1999 than in 1998; more people were murdered with guns in 1999 than in 1998; more attempted murders were undertaken with guns in 1999 than in 1998; the ratio of gun-related attempted murders grew by an alarming 12 per cent,while the rate of gun-related murders was no different than it was before the
Federal Government wasted half a billion dollars trying to make an impuissant Prime Minister look good.[/quote]

("Impuissant" = impotent, feeble, weak --- looks remarkably like "pissant", don't it?)

Bruce
 
Thanks for the site, Bruce. Goodonya.

I got a "There was an error processing a page. A font contains a bad Cmap/Encoding", so I couldn't read the report.

BUT the site in general is a MotherLode of info and, I think, a potential source of documents that ought to scare the crap out of any "they won't come for mine" gun owners.

I'm speaking of the firearms license application forms from the various states.
I'm going to set up a seperate thread with the URLs for a lot of them. Most are in PDF format that I can't reproduce on TFL.

Check out http://www.thefiringline.com:8080/forums/showthread.php?threadid=39043
 
It may be a flop but the fact of the mater is, that we are being "subjugated" on a global scale. It makes no difference if gun control works or not. The forces behind this subjugation are in power and are working in unison. This is what they need to dominate us and this is the way it will be unless we stop them.

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taking care of them.
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