Grip angle: Glock V. Ruger MK series, NEOS, Buck Mark

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Why is it many people dislike the grip angle on the Glock, but no one seems to have a complaint to make about the Ruger MK series pistols? It seems to me as though they have nearly identical grip angles.

Is it because the recoil of the 22lr is so much lighter?
Is the grip angle not really as similar as it seems?
Is it b/c the Ruger MK series pistols have a thinner/smaller grip?
 
It's because people have nothing better to do than complain about the hate for Glocks. Use the search feature on here and you will find more threads on Glocks than any other gun. Go figure
 
it's not the angle of the grip rather the shape of the grip near the bottom. it extends out and changes how the gun points. Same reason some prefer flat MSH on 1911s and others prefer arched. I like flat and i dislike the hump on the rear of the glock. actually the gen1 has a much less pronounced then the later gens that really exaggerated it.
 
it's not the angle of the grip rather the shape of the grip near the bottom. it extends out and changes how the gun points. Same reason some prefer flat MSH on 1911s and others prefer arched. I like flat and i dislike the hump on the rear of the glock.
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Yep, this. Grip angle is more or less a misnomer IMO. Its the palm swell. Full size Gen 3 Glocks still point odd for me, but the mid size Gen 3 and all the Gen 4 point fine for me.

I went from a Glock hater to a Glock enthusiast once I realized that there were models that fit my hands well. Still hate the Gen 3 trigger guard rubbing my knuckle raw though.
 
It's because people have nothing better to do than complain about the hate for Glocks. Use the search feature on here and you will find more threads on Glocks than any other gun. Go figure
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Hated so much that they're easily one of the most sold brands in the US. There are a lot of threads about them because there are a lot of Glocks out there to begin with. "Glock" is known even to people who don't shoot.
 
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Why is it many people dislike the grip angle on the Glock, but no one seems to have a complaint to make about the Ruger MK series pistols? It seems to me as though they have nearly identical grip angles.
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People do dislike the Ruger MK grip angle. There are grips that effectively make the grip angle less severe, and Ruger 22/45s that provide an angle more familiar to many.
 
I don't like the feel of Glocks mainly because of grip perimeter and not necessarily the grip "angle". I have small hands. As alluded to before, the thickness of the grip plays a role in perceived grip angle. I think that many shooters find 1911s comfortable due in part to the pistol's dimensions; the grip angle of which is a component of.
 
I personally don't mind the angle of the Glock grip, considering it is practically the same angle as one of my favorite pistols, the Steyr. However, I must admit that because of my small hands, I really did not become much of a Glock fan until the Gen 4. For me it's not the angle, but the size of the grip.

For comparison, here's an original Steyr M9 and a Gen 3 Glock 19. You can see a much noticeable difference in the distance from the gap between the tip of my pinky finger and the heel of my hand at the bottom, as well as the distance from the tip of my thumb in relation to the top of my middle finger wrapped around the grip.

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That being said, I still like Glocks and shoot them well, but, they are not the right pistol for a lot of people.
 
D: all of the above
Add to that I'm not usually in a hurry shooting my MkII since it's mostly a range/target gun I also have finger groove grips that straighten the angle some.

the grip angle of the Glock added to the short window of the trigger guard puts my trigger finger in almost a bind where my finger drags the trigger guard
 
I don't know specifically what about the Glock grip shape or angle that doesn't work for me, but it doesn't work for me. I don't think I've ever held a Ruger MK so I can't compare that.

Why doesn't it work for me? Many years ago a bone in my thumb closest to the wrist was broken and had to be pinned together for a while. It never healed right. The Glock grip causes my hand to angle downwards toward the pinkie finger resulting in an uncomfortable position and weak grip.

I have S&W and Ruger revolvers plus S&W, Sig, and Bersa pistols and none of them cause this problem for me. I have shot various 1911's, a Sprinfield XD sub-compact and a variety of other pistols with no problems.

So that's my story and I'm sticking to it.. I hope that helps.
 
Why is it many people dislike the grip angle on the Glock, but no one seems to have a complaint to make about the Ruger MK series pistols?
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Because most folks like the grip frame on the Ruger 22 pistol and have for decades. A very pointable grip that resembles the Luger grip frame. It's been praised since it's beginning. Thin and well shaped. Very ergonomic.

The Glock grip angle and shape has been well liked by many and criticized by many from it's beginning. It's been criticized for aiming high when you shoot, being too thick and blocky for many hands, being too slipppery, etc. Glock has recognized this and adjusted the grip a few times over the years most recently with the Gen 4 designs.

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The Glock feels good in my hand, so does the Ruger Mark I/II/III and Luger. But I also love the 1911 and Colt SAA. A well designed handgun usually feels good to me and tends to point properly.

I think some people get used to what they have at the time and shoot well with it. Some don't adjust as quickly, maybe they didn't start out with lots of guns in their rotation. As a young man I was always shooting buddys' guns, everybody wanted to try out what the other guy had. Never turn down a chance to shoot a new gun, you just might become a fan!
 
Most people have no idea how to shoot and blame the grip angle (or anything else except for themselves). The purpose of the sights, or learning what horizontal means for point sights, is to override the gun's grip angle and any physiological variations.

I find the whole argument silly. Glocks shoot high for me, yet I have no trouble with sighted or pointed fire at speed. 1911's shoot low for me and I have no trouble with them either. Other guns vary between the two...and they're not a problem either.
 

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Why is it many people dislike the grip angle on the Glock, but no one seems to have a complaint to make about the Ruger MK series pistols? It seems to me as though they have nearly identical grip angles.
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The Ruger pistols were designed when single-handed target shooting was the norm. For that function, the grip angle is correct for most shooters.
 
Interesting responses.
I carry a Glock even though it doesn't exactly fit my hand. I handled an SR22 today and it was a bit big for my hand. Going to continue pooking for a P22. The only centerfire I have handled that came close to fitting really well is a KAHR T9. I opt not to carry it as it is a single stack. I like the angle/feel of the Glock though. It is just too big for me to be able to shoot slow fire target and get my best scores. Rapid fire it doesn't make that much of a difference over my T9 or MK II. I don't shoot double taps well with it and have often thought that might be the reason though. If I move target to target and return for a second shot there seem not to be any problems. My feeling is all my Glock problems are thickness and depth, not angle.
 
I like a relaxed grip angle also, so shooting Glocks has never been a problem for me. I don't own any, but anytime I have shot them, they've been accurate, and reliable, and easy to shoot well. After a mag or two, many can get used to different grip angles, and triggers. It is all in what you train.
 
I think grip angle affects some more than others. I have a Ruger Mark I and a Steyr L9-A1. The L9-A1 points a little high compared to my other 9's. Not a biggie as I'm used to shooting this gun and I know how to automatically point now that I shoot it quite a bit. The Mark I does not seem to point high when I hold it. With Glock's it's not about the grip angle for me but, the lack of ergonomics in the grip shape. This brand also tends to cramp/pinch my finger at the back of the trigger guard. Their small and tight radius does not fit my finger and is smaller than most other brands. See Cyanide971's photo for a better illustration.

I had my uncle who owns a fee rifles but, no pistols and is an architect hold my 9's one right after another. here's how he drew each one (left to right) and pointed it.


When he got to the last one which was the Steyr, he said he did no like this one. He said it was the angle of the grip. I asked him about the shape of the grip and the sights (trapezoidal). He said they were fine and just did not like the grip angle.
 
The Ruger pistols were designed when single-handed target shooting was the norm. For that function, the grip angle is correct for most shooters.
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Missed this. Interesting I shoot single handed frequently and have a very light grip with my offhand when shooting two handed.

Worc, where did you get that box? Brand, model, anything?
 
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