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krazykelley

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Hey all. I'm new here, so you'll have to forgive me if this post is in the wrong place. The point of this post is that soon I'll be aquiring my concealed carry permit. Which pistol(s) and how much spare ammo I'll carry hasn't been decided yet, as it will take some time for me to learn what is comfortable for me.

That, however, is not really the point.

This is mainly a question of WHAT I should carry for ammo. Specificaly, .357 mag., .45acp, 9mm para, and .44 spl. I have been thinking along the lines of Gold Dot or Extreme Shock, but I'm curious as to what the more balisticaly-savvy of you may think.

Any advice would be helpful and much appreciated. I would even consider fmjs if someone could make a convincing argument.

P.S.
If anyone could suggest a SOB holster for a Sig P220, I would appreciate it.
 
robhof

I would definitely stay away from fmj's as their penetration makes them a hazzard in sd situations. You have to shoot the bad guy, but you don't want to also hit the mother and child 20' behind him. You need to weigh you average situations against the power of the round, and consider one of the many forms of hollow point or Talons, if they're legal in your area. They have moderate penetration and exhaust their energy in the target, minimizing collateral damage. Whatever you decide on, be sure to practice with some to know their point of impact compared to cheap practice ammo.
 
Welcome, krazykelley. I went down this very path about six months ago; took my CCW class in February, sent in my paperwork, and bought my first gun in late March, a day after my 48th birthday. :-)

I found these web sites extremely helpful when I was learning about handguns and ammunition, before I got my CCW and bought my gun:
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http://www.internetarmory.com/
(Read the links on "Personal Protection", "Self Defense", "Gun Selection: Self Defense", and "Ammunition: Self Defense")

http://www.corneredcat.com/
(Written by a woman who posts here, geared towards women but with a whole lot of good information for a new gun owner of either gender.)

The short answer to your questions is that there is no perfect handgun caliber or ammunition for all people at all times. :-) But most of the research I did and experienced people I talked with told me that most people shouldn't consider any caliber below .380 or above .45 ACP for self defense. That means you could get a .380, .38 special, .38 super, 9 mm short, 9 mm long ("Luger") .357 SIG, .357 magnum, .40 ACP, .41, 10 mm, .44 special, or .45 ACP and be within this recommended range. Lots of choices. ;-) Within that range, I've seen more recommendations for .357 magnum and .45 ACP than any of the others. .357 magnum revolvers can also shoot .38 special rounds, a real advantage if you want to start with something that's more controllable and trade up to the more powerful rounds when you've practiced for a while.

.22 (any type), .25, and .32 are widely considered not powerful enough for most self defense uses, although (almost) any gun is better than none if you're faced with a violent attacker. .44 magnum, .454 Casull, and anything higher is widely considered too powerful for most self defense uses, mostly because the rounds are too likely to go right through the bad guy and hit someone behind him. There are experienced people who will argue fiercely against that position, of course, and if you're using your gun to protect against grizzly bears, polar bears, Kodiak bears, or the like up in Alaska or northern Canada, those are good calibers to have. But the guy who taught my CCW class, a retired U.S. Marine firearms instructor, and most of the people I've talked with who have experience training people to shoot guns for self-defense recommend against carrying the higher calibers for self defense in urban or suburban areas.

For self-defense ammunition the consensus is that, for guns of the calibers above, a jacketed hollow-point (JHP) round is generally best. You could also go for semi-jacketed hollow-point (SJHP) or jacketed soft point (JSP) and not loose too much stopping power in most cases. Full metal jacket (FMJ) ammunition in these calibers is generally recommended for target practice, but not for self-defense. The practice rounds have less "oomph", and rounds packed with the same charge as a self-defense JHP have a tendency to go straight through the bad guy and hit whatever is behind him, which is *NOT* what you want to do. I won't get into brands and details; there's just too much information available from the URLs I provided and from other people here who have probably forgotten more about guns than I've ever known.

Finally, the real test of the best gun, caliber, and ammunition for you isn't what the experts say, but what you are comfortable shooting and willing to carry. Another new gun owner who recently joined this board also joined a local gun club in her area that allows members to try out any non-exotic gun at the club for free and offers assistance from experienced range masters. If you have any such opportunity in your area, I'd highly recommend taking it. If you don't, make friends with a local gun nut who has a bunch of handguns in his gun safe and is willing to take you shooting with them, and try them all out. :-)

Best wishes figuring it all out.
 
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Welcome. Of your two choices, the Gold Dot is the most reasonable. No matter what the gun, it's a good idea to fire your defense rounds in it until you are comfortable with the reliability. The Exxtreme Exxpense of specialty rounds makes this cost-prohibitive. It's also generally true that the more you get away from middle of the road ballistics for a given cartridge, the more you invite problems. People have lots of strong opinions on defense ammo, but a good JHP by a reputable maker is the way to go, there isn't really a whole lot of difference between them anymore.

You have some work to do at the rental range, enjoy yourself and have fun picking out your gun. None of us here can do that for you.

And to carry a full sized gun like the 220, you will need a good holster and a good belt in combination. SOB will end up being uncomfortable and lots of folks recommend aginst SOB carry anyway. Try not to worry about it, you can't join our club until you have a box full of holsters you don't like or don't use anymore.
 
Extreme Shock has been proven time and time again to be overpriced garbage.
Gold Dots have been proven time and time again to be excellent hollow points.

Also consider Federal HSTs.
 
Thank you all for the prompt responses. Perhaps I should have clarified more.

I already own several handguns, most of which are suitable for carry. Of course I am comfortable enough with those ones that I would not consider carrying them irresponsible.

I am not any more in the market for a new handgun than I am at any other time:rolleyes: And even if I were, the nearest rental range is hours away, so my only option really is finding out what other people think (usualy by silently lurking on forums like this :o).

Finaly, I know many people dislike sob. I've heard the arguments based on spinal injuries and other discomfort. However, I have dabbled in it to some extent, and personaly I find it very comfortable, and if I find it cofortable when I carry, isn't that an important point? I'm just curious about a quality holster.
 
I carry .32, 9mm or .45 depending on attire, weather etc. Shoot all of them at the range to keep comfortable with the different characteristics of each gun.

Caliber does make a difference BUT hitting the target is most important. My old Colt 1903 .32 bullseyes 8 for 8. 8 Gold Dots going to the right place......

Usually carry 9mm also Gold Dot and in Winter carry .45 also Gold Dot.
 
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