Great things about the ...P7

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Greg Bell

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Great things about the P7 FAQ v .1

1. Squeeze cocking. IMHO the safest gun for daily carry. The gun goes from perfectly safe to perfectly deadly in a split second. If you drop it you may have a heart attack because it might get scratched but you can rest assured it won't go off. This gun is incredibly fast.

2. Trigger pull. Thanks to the squeeze cocking system the gun is safely equiped with an excellent single action trigger pull. I've had die-hard partisans of every type of gun praise my P7's trigger.

3. Compact. Although it has full-size controls (no pinkey hang), the gun is sized like a compact approaching a subcompact. It is much thinner than almost any handgun.(1.1-1.2 inches).

4. Full-size barrel. Despite this gun's compact size it has a full 4 inch barrel.

5. Fixed-barrel. This gun lacks the tilting barrel assembly of most other full-sized guns. This lends the gun exceptional accuracy. In combination with the aforementioned trigger, this barrel makes the P7 ultra-accurate.

6. Low recoil. This is debatable. I have always felt that this has the least recoil of any 9mm. Some disagree, most don't. This is likely result of the guns low bore/axis and gas system(although some say the gas system should have no effect).

7. Tough! This gun is CNC milled from a solid steel forging. The gun is so solid it could be used as a nasty set of brass nuckles in a pich. Without picking one up it is hard to imagine how solid this little gun feels. When I had mine hardchromed the smith complained endlessly about how hard the P7 was to machine.

8. Excellent sight radius. Although the gun is short, HK maximized the sight radius by pushing the sights as far apart as practically possible,

9. Oddball manual of arms confuses bad guys and know it all buddies. There are many accounts of cops loosing their P7's to bad guys who were, in turn, unable to figure out the squeeze cocker. On the lighter side, a know it all at a local gunshop had just explained to all of his bad experiences with the P7 when I handed it to him only to watch him fumble around unable to cock it! Hilarious.

Any additions?

GHB

[This message has been edited by Greg Bell (edited October 17, 2000).]
 
"1. Squeeze cocking. IMHO the safest gun for daily carry. The gun goes from perfectly safe to perfectly deadly in a split second. If you drop it you may have a heart attack because it might get scratched but you can rest assured it won't go off. This gun is incredibly fast."


One could contend a built in child safety lock (sorta) with the squeeze cocker action. My wife does not care for it due to this characteristic citing the amount of “force” needed to cock the gun. I like this on account of having a four-year-old daughter racing around the house. I leave my P7 out most of the time in a cubbyhole on my desk or in an unlocked drawer in the nightstand.

My wife prefers my P226, (go figure)… Guess she likes “big things”. :D


Fast Eagle
 
Don't forget reliability. If the round is 9mm in diametre, in a case 19mm long and fits in the magazine, the P7 will load, fire and eject it. Even rounds with propellant that makes other gun manufacturers go pale.

LawDog
 
Wildly accurate, ultra-reliable, great trigger, super safe, built like the offspring of a Swiss watch and a Mohler safe...

How many good points does a pistol need? ;)

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"..but never ever Fear. Fear is for the enemy. Fear and Bullets."
10mm: It's not the size of the Dawg in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!

[This message has been edited by Tamara (edited October 17, 2000).]
 
BS!

Anyone who says that doesn't know the facts!

BS BS BS BS BS!

:)

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Smith & Wesson is dead to me.

If you want a Smith & Wesson, buy USED!
 
The P7, while it looks like a large gun, is actually pretty compact. I've carried it easily in an inside the waistband holster as well as a shoulder holster.

I actually like shoulder rigs.

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Smith & Wesson is dead to me.

If you want a Smith & Wesson, buy USED!
 
After reading two strings on P7in one day I just had to post something... :)

I have a P7M8 that I use ALOT as CCW. Probably more then my other pieces of artilery all together, and I have few to choose from when I open my safe :) :) :)

P7s belong to few pistol models developed specifically for serious work. I am still suprised that night sights dont come standard.

I have owned my M8 since 1991 and fired about 5,000 rounds through it. Not that much. However, ther have been ZERO FTF's.
The gun broke once, one of the drop safety parts has desintegrated, but the gun has never failed to chamber, fire and eject the round.
While not the smallest pistol chambered for 9 para and holding 8 in the magazine, IMHO the P7M8 and PSP are the best.
Acuracy is exellent, but I consider it more of a bonus that the real value to the combat handgun, because in defensive scenario you will not be shooting 1.5'' groups at 25 meters anyways, and if someone will, they would have ALOT of explaining to do after the incident.

By the way my friend in US just bought unfired PSP with 3 mags for $US650.
Here I had to pay ~$US800 nine years ago.
 
I agree with the manual of arms making it very difficult for someone not familiar with it to get the gun to fire in a short period of time.

Reliable is right. I have an H&K promotional video that was made a few years back. They remove the extractor from the pistol, and it still functioned! The fluted chamber comes into play here. Ejection was anything but vigorous, but the pistol went bang, bang, bang...

Try that with a Glock, Sig, Beretta, 1911 or whatever and you've got a single shot. Extractors can and do break. FWIW.
 
Yep...true about the extractor, its redundant. But don;t forget about the removable firing pin assembly. With practice you can completly disable the firearm in 2 seconds, and vice versa.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MPower:
Yep...true about the extractor, its redundant. But don;t forget about the removable firing pin assembly. With practice you can completly disable the firearm in 2 seconds, and vice versa.[/quote]

MPower, I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Are you saying this is something you have to worry about someone doing to your pistol at the critical moment? If so, I worry as much about that as I do about a BG snatching the slide of my Beretta 92.
Remember what a terrible defect of the Beretta that was supposed to be?

I had a guy at a gunshow tell me he could "prove" this to me a few years back....

"OK, now hold the gun just like this...no, more like this...OK, now...wait...hold it a bit lower...uh huh...now stand reaaal still..."
 
I think he is pointing it out as a saftey feature. HK was bragging about this at the last Shot Show. Cool, maybe we can fool Gore into making all LEO's carry P7 variants!
 
Ahh, I see. So, your pistol is holstered, the BG attempts to grab it. If you feel as if you might actually lose it to him, then you give the firing pin assembly a little twist and voila. Interesting. Thanks for the info.
 
Hmm... Thats sounds like S+W's old mag disconnect. HK was bragging that it made the P7 safe to keep at the house. number of times I have used this feature: 0.
 
Back when I lead a joint American/Cylon raid on the Chinese Embassy in Naboula-boula ar-Riyar; a supersecret installation just out side of Barigassou-Whiffie to liberate 1200 British POW’s still being held captive from the Mexican Finnish Revolution in Hokoudioustan. We used only P7M8’s loaded with ultra high pressure explosive anti armor rounds to blast our way through an 8-inch steel vault door with no problem!

That gun is a masterpiece! A fine work of German engineering art!

TheFederalistWeasel
 
THE FEDERALIST WEASAL CANNOT BE TRUSTED!


THAT IS ALL.....


[This message has been edited by Greg Bell (edited October 19, 2000).]
 
Hi Greg and Para...the main reason why I pointed out the removable safety pin feature was fast eagles post that he leaves a loaded P7 in a drawer (this is not a flame on FE). Personally I would not feel safe with a loaded P7 around children, and depend on the sqeeze cocker for safety. I WOULD however feel safe with one where the firing pin has been removed. It was not meant to be a defensive move in case someone is trying to disarm you! And if you want to attempt to remove the slide or remove the firing pin while I point my pistol at you, well be my guest!
It is a feature, take it or leave it. And for some it may be a better storage solution than keeping it unloaded, or keeping a trigger lock on the P7. I do not consider it a major feature, but considering the subject and length of the thread I thought it could bear mentioning
 
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