Gp100 small problem big frustartion.

griffin12aaa

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Ive owned a gp 100 for about 7 months now. The fist to the range she ate 100 38 specials no prob. Second visit she ate 50 specials and 50 magnums no prob. Recently i became a commissioned secutiy officer and when it was range qualification time right at about the 30th round of 50 you have to fire she decides to jam on me!:eek:

I pull the trigger and click. Pulled again and click so I pop out the cylinder to clear the gun and inspect it. SA and DA work fine the cylinder pops out like it should but the cylinder is spinning freely and the cylinder stop is stuck all the way down. Later that same day i take it apart clean her real good dry fired a couple times and she worked fine. So that same weekend i took her to the range and after 100 specials she worked perfect. I cant seem to find the problem. Did i just get a "lemon"? Should i replace the part and the problem go away? Is it an easy "fix" ? Should i call ruger? Should i even worry sinve it didnt happen again? I dont know what to think now i had high expectations of this one but now i feel like i want to get rid of it. Need help guys whats the best thing to do thanks in advance.

AAA.
 
I think you need someone to look at it ...( not over the internet ) ..../ try to find a good revolver gunsmith in your area that has some experience with the GP 100..../ there are also a lot of Ruger collector clubs around - a lot of those folks will have contacts, or know of someone that can help you - or maybe they can evaluate it for you / give you some feedback.

The bigger gunshows - are a good place to find a Ruger collector / or someone to talk to about the gun - in my opinion.
 
...she decides to jam on me!
When you say it jammed, do you mean that the trigger/hammer wouldn't work and/or that the cylinder wouldn't turn? Or do you mean that it simply failed to fire when the trigger was pulled?
I pull the trigger and click. Pulled again and click...
This makes it sound like you had two or more misfires but that the gun appeared to work normally other than the fact that the gun wasn't firing when the trigger was pulled. Is that correct?
...but the cylinder is spinning freely...
When the cylinder is opened for loading/unloading, it should spin freely.
...the cylinder stop is stuck all the way down...
When the cylinder is opened for loading/unloading, the cylinder stop will be in the down/pressed position and will stay in that position until the cylinder is latched back into the frame.
Should i replace the part...
What part?

Ok, some additional questions.

1. Were you firing single-action (cocking the hammer for each shot) or double-action (pulling the trigger without cocking the hammer) when the malfunctions occurred?

2. When you tested the gun after cleaning it, did you shoot the gun both in single-action and double-action?

3. Have you replaced or modified ANY parts AT ALL on this gun?
 
in the ops post, a complete and thurough clening seems to have cleaned the issue.


methinks that cleaning was the issue the whole time.
 
What type of ammo were you using? Factory, reloads, cheap, expensive?

I've never had a problem with any ammo in my GP100, but you never know. There's some crap ammo out there that may play tricks with your GP.
 
Had the same problem with my LCR!
Sent it to Ruger, they replaced nearly everything inside the gun and in 2 weeks I had it back.
Best customer service I've ever had!
 
Sounds like the cylinder stop got stuck in the down position. Could be a burr, could be dirty, could have been a fluke. If it happened once, and has not happened since you cleaned it, I would consider it "fixed". If it happens a again I would contact Ruger where the problem will likely be corrected at no charge to you if you bought the gun new, and it hasn't been altered.
 
Thanks everyone for the quick responses.

I did a terrible job describing the problem. The cylinder spins when closed no "misfires " so far.

JohnKSa
I dont know of other revolvers but on this gp the cylinder stop stays in the up position when i load/unload. The only time itll go to down position is for a slight moment when you cock the hammer back and when used in DA.

Ammo was walmart remington and winchester nothing fancy. The gun was bought new only"mod" is red nail polish in the front sight.:)

I will take all suggestions into consideration thanks again everyone.

For now im going to look on youtube for a full trigger dissasembly and maybe ill find something.

Ill keep you guys posted. Thanks again.

AAA
 


The GPs trigger system is modular & it all comes out with the trigger gaurd as an asm.

While removing or while it`s out DO NOT pull the trigger or parts & springs will start falling off or flying to partsbegone ville.

My suggestion is to get a 1gal. zip loc bag & place hands & asm inside .
The first thing to remove is the transfer bar by moving the trigger back slightly.

Second is the pawl , it`s spring loaded plunger will jump out if ya don`t place a finger over the flat of the pawl you`ll see where, clean /polish the hole the plunger/spring asm goes all mine were very ruff.

Now remove the cyl latch & again it`s powered by a plunger & spring& it`ll jump also .Do the same for this plunger/spring well also.

You have em both out & hopefully laid each plunger with it`s coensiding part.
Look at em you`ll notice the springs & plungers are of different length!

The trigger & reset plunger (1/2 arrow shaped peice ) do not have to be removed if careful cleaning & lubeing is followed .Just be careful not to bend or bind a spring when reasemmbling the parts.

If the trigger is gritty on reset futher tear down is needed .
first remove the trigger guard latch plunger /spring/follower .
Then remove the trigger & reset plunger.

Now ya can clean/polish the trigger spring well with a 13/64 drill bit & lappin compound.

Naturally, after cleanin & lappin the plunger holes & trigger spring well, clean throughly, these plungers & the spring well are the only places I use a synthetic grease to lube parts , other moving parts get a lite oil (rem oil is my choice as it dries & does`nt attract carbon foulin.
 
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I dont know of other revolvers but on this gp the cylinder stop stays in the up position when i load/unload. The only time itll go to down position is for a slight moment when you cock the hammer back and when used in DA.
I think I'm catching up... When you say cylinder stop, you're referring to the small "ear" that sticks up out of the frame in the bottom of the cylinder "window". It's the part that locks into the matching cuts around the outside of the cylinder--generally referred to as the bolt although Ruger calls that the "cylinder latch". I mistakenly thought you were referring to the cylinder release which Ruger calls the "crane latch".

Ok, so when you opened the cylinder, the cylinder latch stays in the down position. That is not normal behavior. It should only drop down briefly during cocking or during the double-action trigger pull.

There's really no connection between the crane assembly and the cylinder latch so what it sounds like is going on was that there was a small bit of debris/foreign material that was obstructing the normal movement of the cylinder latch. The fact that the problem went away after cleaning supports that theory.

The cylinder should not spin freely when it is latched into the frame, however, if the cylinder latch/bolt was hung in the down position, the cylinder would spin freely. So that's a normal consequence of something obstructing the normal movement of the cylinder latch.

Now that I feel reasonably sure I understand the problem, I feel pretty confident in saying that there was some sort of garbage that got inside the frame and managed to hang up on the cylinder latch. If the gun is working normally now, I'd probably be satisfied with doing a disassembly per the manual and inspecting the cylinder latch/bolt area to be sure that everything looks normal and that there are no burrs and no foreign material.

If you see nothing, put it back together and run the following checks (PLEASE do them ONLY with the gun unloaded). If everything works properly, I'd say you're good to go.

Function/Safety checks for centerfire revolvers:
Verify cylinder rotation in single action. Cock the hammer and pull the trigger as many times as it takes to rotate the cylinder through 360 degrees—one full rotation. It shouldn’t bind or stick at all. If it does, check to insure that there is no fouling under the ejection star. If it still binds and the gun is clean, it needs the attention of a gunsmith.

Verify cylinder rotation in double action. If the revolver is double-action repeat the above test by ONLY pulling the trigger. Again the cylinder should go through a full rotation without binding or sticking. If it binds, check to insure that there is no fouling under the ejection star. If it still binds and the gun is clean, it needs the attention of a gunsmith.

Verify cylinder rotation with dummy cartridges. If you have some dummy/inert cartridges, repeat the above two tests with the dummy/inert cartridges loaded into the cylinder and ensuring that the cylinder will rotate without binding or sticking. Empty cases can be used, but when I do this, I stuff a bit of wadded-up paper towel in each cartridge case to keep any fouling in the cartridge case from getting knocked out of the case and into the clean chambers.

Check timing in double action. If the revolver is double-action, pull the trigger very slowly and watch the cylinder. It should rotate all the way to a positive stop before the hammer falls. If the cylinder doesn’t “click/lock” into position before the hammer falls and still needs to be turned to reach the positive stop after the hammer is cocked, it needs the attention of a gunsmith.

Check timing in single action. Cock the hammer very slowly and watch the cylinder. It should rotate all the way to a positive stop by the time the hammer is cocked. If the cylinder doesn’t “click/lock” into position before the hammer locks into the cocked position and still needs to be turned to reach the positive stop after the hammer is cocked, then it needs the attention of a gunsmith.

Verify hammer and firing pin function in single action. Cock the hammer and drop a pencil down the barrel eraser end first. Pull the trigger. The pencil should jump very noticeably. Note that with repeated use, the pencil’s eraser will be damaged enough that it won’t work any longer.

Verify hammer and firing pin function in double action. If your revolver has a double-action trigger then slowly pull the trigger until the cylinder clicks positively into position and hold the trigger while you drop the pencil down the barrel. Finish pulling the trigger and be sure the pencil jumps very noticeably when the hammer falls. If the revolver fails this test it needs the attention of a gunsmith. Note that with repeated use, the pencil’s eraser will be damaged enough that it won’t work any longer.

Verify transfer bar/internal safety operation. When performing this test, insure that you release the hammer far enough forward that it doesn’t catch on the half-cock notch when you release it. Dropping the hammer on the half-cock notch repeatedly could damage the half-cock notch. Cock the pistol and put the pencil in the barrel eraser end first. Pull the trigger a little while holding the hammer until the hammer is free to move fully forward. Now release the trigger COMPLETELY and then let go of the hammer. The hammer should snap forward as if to fire the revolver but the pencil shouldn’t jump. If the pencil jumps then your revolver needs the attention of a gunsmith. Note that with repeated use, the pencil’s eraser will be damaged enough that it won’t work any longer.
 
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