I'm a bit confused about opposition to registering guns. On the face of it, I don't want the government to know my name, gun and address. Having said this, I was required to go through a ten day wait upon purchasing all of my guns. So, I must assume that they already have all of the information above. What additional information do I provide them with when I am required to register my Carbon 15? Don't they already have a record of my ownership? Should gun confiscation be the government's policy, don't they know where to find me and what I own? For those of you that have CCW permits, don't they know where you live? I realize that many own guns purchased prior to background checks, but for those of us not so fortunate, how do we disadvantage ourselves by registering a gun that is already in the system?
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Government Records: Purchase, CCW, Register
- Thread starter Gary H
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Here is a difference: If we assume that they are keeping records of purchases from FFL's, then they only have a record that you bought a gun (or that particular gun) on a certain date - which is no assurance that you still have it at some later date. In most states, private sales between eligible individuals require no records.
Having a gun registered to you means that you have it, you won't be able to sell it privately without transferring the registration, and you can bet that you will be accountable for it. If you happen to be "caught" possessing a gun which isn't "registered" to you, you will be charged with a crime.
-z
Having a gun registered to you means that you have it, you won't be able to sell it privately without transferring the registration, and you can bet that you will be accountable for it. If you happen to be "caught" possessing a gun which isn't "registered" to you, you will be charged with a crime.
-z
I'm sitting in California. When I sell a gun out of state, it doesn't get reported in this state. When I sell in the state, they have a record of the new owner. All sales of firearms involve background checks. To assume that these records can't be put to "other" uses is foolish. My point is, at least in California, the registration battle is a done deal. From a practical point of view, they have got me by my shotgun shells. If you carry legally, the government isn't going to knock on your neighbors door to collect any and all weapons, they will knock on your door. Even with registration, this probably won't take place, but it could. Point being, if you are a CCW, or have had a background check, they can simply search your house to find your guns. It is hard for me to believe that this country would go this far, but two months ago I would have said the same of solving custody issues with an MP5.
Gary,
Your point it taken, but California isn't the only state. This is one of the reasons that I left California.
Furthermore, the Feds don't have the authority to do this. Registration on a state by state level is less clear cut, but it also allows the possibility that some of us might still be free.
Your point it taken, but California isn't the only state. This is one of the reasons that I left California.
Furthermore, the Feds don't have the authority to do this. Registration on a state by state level is less clear cut, but it also allows the possibility that some of us might still be free.
I agree with the posts above, and would add:
Under current law, you can destroy, give away or have a firearm stolen without informing the federal and most state governments. They cannot assume that you have a firearm, even if you had a NICS check and filled out an FFL yellow form. The essential part of any registration scheme is that this is done away with and the person registered becomes tied to the arm for as long as the government is not properly informed.
After you register your arm, you are responible for it for ever more. If you claim you no longer have it, you become an instant felon.
Usually, you also give up your right to have a warrent of probable cause taken out to search you home and property as well. This is for the new "privelidge" of owning a fire arm. The police can search you or your property whenever they want to make sure you still have the firearm. Of course, they can arrest you for any other "illegal" thing or circumstance they discover during the course of this "honest" search for your arm.
Once they have pinned the weapon to you personally, there are many other tricks they can play, such as making you responsible if someone else commits a crime with the weapon (even if they do not know who that person is), imposing all kinds of "safety" restrictions upon you (usually costly and inconvenient), limiting your right to free speach if you talk about firearms "irresponsibly", imposing special "fees" upon you, etc. etc.
You see, the assault on the 2nd ammendment has cascading effects on all other civil liberties that you enjoy as well. We now need to stick to the principle of the Second Amendment as a personal right of all law abiding American citizens. Firearms registration is something that is unacceptable in America. It is now the cause celebre in determing whether or not the Bill of Rights, our basis of civil liberties for over 200 years, can be breached by an unprincipled president as a political expediant. If Clinton/Gore get away with it, more abuses will certainly follow.
Under current law, you can destroy, give away or have a firearm stolen without informing the federal and most state governments. They cannot assume that you have a firearm, even if you had a NICS check and filled out an FFL yellow form. The essential part of any registration scheme is that this is done away with and the person registered becomes tied to the arm for as long as the government is not properly informed.
After you register your arm, you are responible for it for ever more. If you claim you no longer have it, you become an instant felon.
Usually, you also give up your right to have a warrent of probable cause taken out to search you home and property as well. This is for the new "privelidge" of owning a fire arm. The police can search you or your property whenever they want to make sure you still have the firearm. Of course, they can arrest you for any other "illegal" thing or circumstance they discover during the course of this "honest" search for your arm.
Once they have pinned the weapon to you personally, there are many other tricks they can play, such as making you responsible if someone else commits a crime with the weapon (even if they do not know who that person is), imposing all kinds of "safety" restrictions upon you (usually costly and inconvenient), limiting your right to free speach if you talk about firearms "irresponsibly", imposing special "fees" upon you, etc. etc.
You see, the assault on the 2nd ammendment has cascading effects on all other civil liberties that you enjoy as well. We now need to stick to the principle of the Second Amendment as a personal right of all law abiding American citizens. Firearms registration is something that is unacceptable in America. It is now the cause celebre in determing whether or not the Bill of Rights, our basis of civil liberties for over 200 years, can be breached by an unprincipled president as a political expediant. If Clinton/Gore get away with it, more abuses will certainly follow.