Gore has already won!

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<sarcasm>So, it is a done deal. We can all stay home now and not bother to go vote. The scientists/statisticians have told us that Bush can not win. There are still half a dozen Libertarian candidates running for lower offices. Maybe I'll still go vote</sarcasm> Get everyone you know to get out and prove these bean counters wrong!

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>By Robert G. Kaiser Washington Post Service

WASHINGTON - For one group of political scientists who study U.S. elections, Campaign 2000 is effectively over. And the winner is Vice President Al Gore, narrowly but clearly. Or so their mathematical formulas conclude. Seven forecasts by academic analysts were to be presented Thursday to the annual meeting of the American Political Science Association here. Six of the seven foresee Mr. Gore winning between 52.3 and 55.4 percent of the votes cast for the two major-party candidates: Mr. Gore and George W. Bush. The seventh says Mr. Gore will win 60.3 percent of the major-party vote. All agree that other candidates will not affect the final result.

These models have proven highly accurate in the past. Their authors have applied them retrospectively to every election since 1948 or 1952 and found that most of them foresaw the final result of all but the closest elections. Several of the formulas have repeatedly been more accurate than even election-eve public opinion polls.[/quote]

You can read the whole story here
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>...have applied them retrospectively to every election since 1948 or 1952 and found that most of them foresaw the final result of all but the closest elections.[/quote]

Huh? This sounds like the old saw that says, "Determine the results you want so you can tailor your testing methods accordingly."

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>These models have proven highly accurate in the past.[/quote]

Well, the past is fairly easy to predict - it's the future that gets kinda tricky...

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"...and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."
Luke 22:36
"An armed society is a polite society."
Robert Heinlein
"Power corrupts. Absolute power - is kinda cool!"
Fred Reed
 
Yep, you are absolutely right on both points. I posted this here because it is one of those things that pisses me off severely. This type of thing (IMO) keeps a lot of people home thinking their votes are not needed or wasted.
 
Agreed. If it were legal I'd go around smacking all the gun owners who don't bother to vote.

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The Alcove

I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>found that most of them foresaw the final result of all but the closest elections.[/quote]

Emphasis mine.

This is going to a very close election. Has been from the get-go. So, by these weasels own admission, their study doesn't apply.

LawDog
 
The experts sure predicted Jesse Ventura, didn't they? Their equations have sets of variables. Add some new ones. Get more RKBA folks to vote.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EnochGale: ... Get more RKBA folks to vote.[/quote]Do you realize that a considerable amount of gun owners are going to vote for Gore because he's for the people :rolleyes:
 
Do you realize that a considerable amount of gun owners are going to vote for Gore because he's for the people

If you vote for Gore, take your guns to the polls with you and turn them in. It will save the BATF the trouble of coming to collect them.

Robert Carr
 
"Gore is for the people"?

Not my people.

I think that two things have turned around Gore's ratings. One, his home video that he showed at the convention made him seem less wooden (plus his groping Tipper on stage). Two, he threw out a couple of lines like "we don't want to take guns away from hunters and target shooters" (something like that). I guess that there are a few stupid gun owners who believe him.

Of course he will probably require target shooters to lock their guns up at a range or gun club. Hunters will probably be limited to muskets.

Anyhow, I think that Bush does better when he comes from behind - kind of like he did when McCain won Michigan. When he is behind, he loses the smirk and seems more down to earth. Also, the Republican base is not as contentious, splitting hairs etc. because they know there is a real chance that there could be four more years of clinton/gore.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mr. Pub: ... I think that Bush does better when he comes from behind ...[/quote]I would feel a little bit more comfortable if he was ahead.
 
FOR THE PEOPLE???!?!?
Did someone actually type that.

Yes hes for the peole who feel they should have to purchase a license before they can speak their mind especially to criticize the government...
for the people who feel they should have to pay a fee for being allowed to peacably gather
for the people who feel suspicion is all thats needed before police can forcibly search your home
for the people who feel children are the property of the state and parents are mere temporary care givers with no rights or claim to how to raise them
(never opposed Castro's takign of Elian home)
for the people who feel afforable handguns should be banned because lower income persons might be able to afford to protect themselves instead of WAITING on the police
and being added to the statistics of those listed as VICTIMS of gun violence because criminals steal their guns or sell drugs to afford them.
For the people who feel if a coming baby might be an inconveniance a doctor should be available 24 hours to so neatly slowly crush its brain before it takes a breath of life
For the people who feel a tyrannical abusive
law loving government should have a monopoly
on lethal force
For the people who feel they should be able to decide what you should be allowed to eat
because their to squemish to get their own
For the people who would rather claim theyve been opressed and being taken care of by the
hard working middle/upper class rather than have to work hard themselves to have a better life.
For the people so ignorant of the law they feel rights can be subject to the opinoin of an appointed man
judges,presidents
For the people who feel you should not be allowed to defend themselves because they are willing to reliquish their right to life to the state rather than take such responsibillity or because in their rich high class well policed neighborhoods they never see real life...

yep Al Gore's for the people

I live in Memphis,TN
I like the way it is here compared to NYC being able to exercise my rights before having to pay for them.
www.gunowners.org www.jpfo.org www.keepandbeararms.org www.jbs.org


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liberty for security deserve neither"
 
When I posted that Gore was "for the people", did anyone bother to notice the :rolleyes: that went along with that statement?
 
I think we could use more articles like this. If the liberals are comfy with a Gore win, they'll throw their votes to Nadar, to show support, or just stay home. And bad news may be enough to get some non-voting gun owners off their duffs.

Optimistically.
 
This was published in the Washington Post. We KNOW how unbiased they are.

"The forecast is about what the likely outcome is on Election Day, not what the polls say today," Holbrook said. "The fact that it's sunny today
doesn't mean a forecast of rain tomorrow is going to be wrong. We'll just have to wait and see."

Never underestimate the capriciousness of high or low pressure systems. That they chose to invoke a meteorological metaphor is quite interesting.

Cliff
 
The US Ministry of Agiprop (CBSNBCABCCNN)delights in throwing out articles of this type. It bothers the opposition. It dispirits the other candidates. And most importantly, it provides a subject to be batted around. Depending upon when it was released the talking heads can get considerable air time without a counterpoint being introduced.

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Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

Barry Goldwater--1964
 
I just can't believe Gore is even in the running.

And furthermore, it is convenient that these people are so sure that Gore is goingt o win this week.
What did they say a few weeks ago when Bush was in the lead?


Ps- %97 of media people polled said that they voted for Clinton. Do we wonder who is really determining who wins? How can Bush win if %97 of the media is against him?
 
Of course Algore is For The People.

The People's Republik of Amerika.

Just like the People's Republic of China.

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Sam I am, grn egs n packin

Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
 
John Zogby's polling is showing that the intractibles are already in either the Bush or Gore camps. The election, he says, may be decided by less than one million voters, possibly as few as 750,000! We gotta get out there, folks. Drag any person alive to the polls. Was there ever an election that was so close, with so much at stake? Clue me in if there was.

Dick
Want to send a message to Bush? Sign the petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/monk/petition.html and forward the link to every gun owner you know.
 
[/QUOTE]Do you realize that a considerable amount of gun owners are going to vote for Gore because he's for the people :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]

FUD you are absolutely right on this. I worked a booth at a county fair this weekend for the Second Amendment Sisters. A bunch of people came into the booth signed our petition and said they would vote for Gore and Hillary. They left knowing better. Believe it or not they had no idea that Gore was anti gun!!! We all gotta' take this battle to the street and educate the inactive gun owners who vote. Many people own guns but don't use them any more and don't pay much attention to the gun control issue.

You want to stop Gore follow mussi's advice here: http://www.thefiringline.com:8080/forums/showthread.php?threadid=28864

It might be a bit uncomfortable at first but once you get in the swing it can be fun.
 
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