Good small revolver in 9x19mm?

Para Bellum

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I'd like to recommend a small revolver to a friend who is at high risk but very low skills and low will to practice. I consider .38s to weak for it's penetration problems and .357 hardly controllable for such a person. That's why I'd recommend a 9x19mm for him. But given his poor skills, I'd recommend a revolver rather than a Glock 26.

Are there (still) any good snubbies in 9x19mm?
 
Snub nosed revolvers are, IMHO, specialists' tools, and not for novices or people who aren't going to practice enough to become proficient with them.
In your case, I would buy a .357 revolver with a three-inch barrel for concealed carry, and use .38 Special +P ammo.
For home defense a four-inch barrel is even better.
Is this for concealed carry?
JT
 
...it is for concealed carry and a defense-distance of 3m (10ft) max.

...it is for concealed carry and a defense-distance of 3m (10ft) max. Our guy has no skills and sees a gun as a must but has no affection for guns or any kind of combat tools or skills whatsoever. The snubby works well at up to 3m if you have some basic training in point- and speedrock shooting.

Our guy was attacked with a knife before and hardly and luckily survived. 3" barrels are way to big and heavy guns for him. I am thinking about a 2" airweight or similar, but in 9x19mm. If that isn't to be found: Glock 26.
 
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9*19 taken from wolrd of semi-autos, and not from revolvers. If your friend wants a revolver, .38 +P is quite adequate for self-defense. If a pistol, G26 or CZ Rami will fill the bill.
 
One thing that you must emphasise to your friend.
If you want to use a firearm, and use it safely and effectively, then it is IMPERATIVE that he practices with it by someone who is qualified to teach until it becomes natural and easy to use.

If not, the same firearm he may want to use to protect himself may well be used against him.

To draw at that close distance, (depending at what point you have identified a threat) and how fast the atacker is advancing, requires a lot of practice and normally at that close range it may require stepping back/shielding the advance, taking evasive action and or drawing at the hip.

You need to be sure of your aim in an urban environment and can't afford stray shots, even though the probability of hitting your intended target at closer distances is greater.

He will need to practice defensive/evasive techniques, because drawing and shooting doesn't guarantee disabling the attacker immediately. (of course depending on where he is hit and his capability).

To avoid shooting himself in the foot, practice, pratice and PROPER practice.
(You'll be surprised how many soldiers/law enforcement officers etc. shoot themselves or had near misses).


Its necessary too, because many attacks are so fast, the time it takes to realise the threat and draw can be less than 2 seconds.

For reliability and ease of use, a short barrel .357 will do the job, the only thing with revolvers is generally no external lever/button safety. so he's got to watch his hand on the trigger.
Semi-autos require more work, especially if you're not accustomed operating any safety levers present. And the question of carryng a round in the chamber..

But in a nutshell, DO NOT get a firearm unless you get the proper training to carry, store, and use it. Because you always have to be mindful where you go with it, how to keep it concealed and use it. Not only your life, or that of a potential attacker may be at stake, but that also of innocent people around.
 
I knew all that, thanks. I know what caliber he needs, I know that a revolver would be best for him, and I know how, how intensive and by whom he needs to be trained in what.
But as posted, I am still just looking for a good and small 9x19mm revolver...
one of the reasons is, that you can't get really good bullets like the EMB or the EFMJ in .357 or .38 cartdridges (factory loads that is)

All I found so far are the Manurhins http://www.chapuis-armes.com/VI_Chapuis/Anglais/en_frame.htm
good 9x19mm revolvers but with the smallest being 3", too big.
 
I think only Taurus makes a 9mm snubie...

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underpowered .38+P

thanks for the information. The Taurus looks pretty good. I'll check it out.

However, I still don't understand how a .38+p is under powered.

First of all, I do believe in light and fast bullets and the .38s+p is neither. Secondly IMHO there are no top-of-the-line defense cartridges availiable in .38s+p, at least where I live. I'd only load a defense weapon with the Federal EFMJ or the Fiocchi (fomerly Hirtenberger) EMB. Both were tested here:
http://www.raoulwagner.com/tests2005.htm
These bullets are availiable in 9x19mm only (EMB) or only in .45, .40 and 9x19mm (EFMJ). And as a side-effect. Prectice is pretty cheap with 9x19mm....
 
You want a simple gun, but you're suggesting using a revolver that can't be fired without moonclips?


If 9mm it has to be, get a real simple auto, like a DAO SIG or S&W. Moonclips are much more of a pain than dealing with a slide and magazine.
 
I have a 9mm Ruger Sp 101. ( They are out of production but still available) Great gun but I consider it a specialty gun. I like the moon clips but a novice might not. Recoil and ballistics is about what you'd get out of +P 38's. It's biggest advantage is that 9mm ball ammo is cheaper than 38 spcial (but only by $2/50 or so). Revise your recomendation to get them a Sp 101 or late production S&W 60 in 357. ( A 2.5-3" S&W 66 would be great too but a little larger to carry.) Both these guns will weigh in at 23-25 oz so will control recoil better than some of the earlier and or airweight snubbies. You can then get them shooting with mild target loads and work them up to occasional +P practice.
p.s. If they are not willing to practice then they shouldn't own /carry any handgun. If your going to carry one, you need to take responsability to be able to use it with minimum risk to bystanders. IF this is teh case, get them some good strong pepper spray.
 
See if you can locate a used S&W M547 in good shape, they are not cheap but the M547 is super nice. Regards, Richard :)
 
The Taurus 905 is a superb little snubby that resides in my front pocket more times than not. And the action and accuracy is better than the Smith snubbies I have also carried from time to time. The only shortcoming of the package are the Taurus moon clips that are not particularly stout, but speed loading the Taurus is not really something that one would do any way. I own two of the little guns and have no criticism of them whatsoever.

Boarhunter
 
Well I'm new to this board but, aren't those tests for the 9x19 done with a 4" barrell? I would think that the results would be quite different from a 2" tube out of a Revolver. I can't think of any 9x19 designed for such a short barrell. There are PLENTY of .38+P designed for snubbies.



MSS
 
Maybe I'm just a Glock junkie, but I think a novice would shoot and handle a Glock easier than a revolver, especially one with moon clips. Also a Glock 26 has a much higher capacity (more than double) than a 9mm revolver. Also can be had with an 8 or 12 pound revolver-like trigger. Am I wrong? Am I crazy? I know this defies all conventional wisdom, but...no manual safety, deliberate trigger pull, solid reliability...am I talking about a revolver or a Glock?:rolleyes:
 
Glockopop,

Glocks are great, great guns (I own three...a 26, a 19, and a 30), and I agree that they are easy to operate and accurate beyond expectation. But after 30 years of shooting, I still recommend a revolver for the novice. They are just as easy as a Glock to operate (pull the trigger), but are better in that there are no hidden rounds (i.e., in the chamber) and there tends to be less distracting "activity" (i.e., reciprocating slide) when the trigger is pulled. Plus, I think a novice innately feels more comfortable handling a revolver than a semiautomatic.

Having said all of that, I would not hesitate recommending a Glock to a serious novice intending to become a true "gun buff."

Boarhunter
 
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