Good God, now they've outlawed spanking!

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,33870,00.html

I truly feel sorry for our good friends in the British Isles. First, they lose the right to own firearms to defend their families. Now they can't even raise their children as they see fit.
You'd think after all they went through fighting tyranny 60yrs ago they wouldn't be so willing to roll over and give up their freedoms so easily. I guess that's the power of incrementalism, you lose freedoms 1 at a time and before you know it, they're all gone - you're a slave.

Am I being too harsh?
 
This is terrible! I predict a sharp rise of children there dying of burns, electrocutions, animal bites, suffocation, falls, poisonings and pedestrian traffic accidents.

Little children need to be taught using the most reliable physiological mechanaism i.e. pain that some things in the home and community are dangerous to play with. A spanking hurts enough to redirect attention and its a lot less dangerous than getting the learning via a pan full of hot grease pulled off the stove!
 
Pain teaches!

Man is the only animal that does its very best to degrade their species. Look at any other animal on the face of the Earth and see how they raise their young. A cuff now and then gives the the respect they need for the life ahead.

Don't even get me started on mating with the lowest common denominator!
 
It’s more than an adage, Alex

More like a “Proverb”, as in 13:24, 19:18, 22:15, 23:13-14, 29:15. That’s six references in one book alone. Poor Scots, doesn’t bode well for them at all.
 
So now you raise entire generations of children that ride the short bus to special class. No, I am not making fun. But what you end up creating is a child that has absolutely no discipline. He will cry until you cave in and give him what he wants. He will learn that he can get anything by crying so he will make no effort to change. He will do this until he is well into fourth or fifth grade. Then he will try to just take before he starts crying. By then, he already has has the nation pave his way to becoming a career criminal. Why work for the things that I want when I can just take them or make someone give them to me?
 
“Up to the age of three, it is very doubtful if a child would understand why he or she is being smacked," Wallace said.

This is the entire point. We want the baby to associate pain with the hot stove, the electrical outlet or the street. Period. This is an issue I've given a lot of thought to in the past few years.

Ineffective parenting says: "I want you to love me like I love you"
Effective parenting says: "I want you to respect me and respect yourself."

Ineffective parenting gives whatever the child asks.
Effective parenting gives what the child needs.

Ineffective parenting shelters the child from harm.
Effective parenting teaches the child how to avoid harm.

Ineffective parenting is sold wholesale in public nurseries.
Effective parenting is done one on one by real blood kin.
 
In a manner of speaking..

hey have outlawed spanking here...... remember the domestic violence law? Spanking your child can be included ..... if someone see you and reports you...... One of the speakers in DC in 1997 at the GOA anti lautenberg luncheon / press conference was a guy who lost his gun rights because he spanked his dughter and his Moher in law reported him.....
 
"Up to the age of three, it is very doubtful if a child would
understand why he or she is being smacked," Wallace said. "We want to
protect children from punishment that is degrading or harsh and
completely inappropriate in a civilized society."
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Small children know very well why they receive spanking. I got a very
healthy lesson once when playing with my dads assault rifle (which had
the bolt removed). Also, I had a vigorous spanking once for kicking in
a glass door.
 
Your right WAGCEVP..........

Wake up fellas, it is considered domestic violence. They get you coming and going. If you correct your child by a tap on the rump, its domestic violence. When the kid gets locked up because you didn't smack him on the rump in the earlier years, your a bad parent.
DAMNED IF YOU DO! DAMNED IF YOU DON'T!:mad:
 
They may as well get my cell ready. If my kid needs it, she's gonna get it. I don't care if the Pope is watching. My wife is a teacher and I hear every day what a lack of discipline can cause. Not in my house.
 
Not funny guys. Here in California, if your child calls and reports that you have spanked, your in a world of hurt. Not funny:barf:
 
Mussi is right about the spank being effective at a young age. In fact, I believe that those first couple of years are crucial to discipline. If you let them get away with stuff early, it is harder to correct the problem later.

Another way to look at it is to look at your pets. Do you wait three years before you potty train your puppy? If so, eww. If not, then are you saying that your child has a lower IQ than a newborn puppy?
 
I think you guys might be missing the point. The law they want to pass is this:
The Scottish proposals, which will be detailed in a White Paper to be published next month, will outlaw spanking in nurseries and playgroups and by registered childminders.

That means that they can't spank your toddler in Daycare et all. Personally if the daycare decided to spank my 1 1/2 year old son without checking with me first I would go ballistic. Yes if he acts up or needs spanking I will swat his little fanny but I don't want some daycare worker who is having a bad day hit my son. Just my 2 cents
 
Spanking is abuse

What? So parents are losing their right to physically abuse their child as they see fit? There are always so many barbarians to resist change and progress toward human rights. Spanking is physical abuse. If hitting your wife is spousal abuse, hitting your child is child abuse. Anyone who can't understand this is highly mystified by what happened to them.
 
Ineffective parenting is sold wholesale in public nurseries.
Effective parenting is done one on one by real blood kin.
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While I agree with the rest, I should point out that blood is not the only bond that defines family.

As to the spanking: a parents should certainly be allowed to raise their children as they see fit and as long as the child is not permanantly harmed by the spanking then it's not abuse....but to think that a child cannot be raised without spanking is a bit silly, in my opinion.. There are many people who have never been spanked that are as well disciplined as those who have been.

Also, what jtjohn says makes sense. Parents spanking their children is one thing but I'll be damned if any other adult ever lays a hand on a child of mine.
 
I will raise my kids as I see fit. Fear of my government will not stop me from doing what is right and proper for my children. If you raise them right, with the knowledge of right and wrong, and what respect, love, God and family means, a law governing nannies and daycare isn't really necessary.
 
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