Good budget Red Dots

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checkmyswag

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Decided I need to accept the M4 for what it is. It's not a long range gun.

So going with a red dot instead of a 1-4 scope. Personal preference, if you like a scope, rock on.

Between the Vortex Strikefire or Vortex Sparc, Bushnell, Ultradot or Primary Arms which optic do you prefer and why?

Any similar priced, quality red dots? (under $200)
 
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Vortex SPARC is nice and the PA RDS is nice too. No experience with the Vortex firsthand. I am waiting for the Primary Arms to come back in stock and buying one of theirs. Only because they are so dang cheap. I may buy two!
 
I like my PA micro. I've been using gallon milk jugs filled with water as reactive targets and the micro scores to 200 meters.

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I have a Bushnell TRS-25 on my converted Saiga 7.62x39. It has been there for about a year (previously it was on one of my AR's for a year also). It holds zero and has no issues.

I have a Primary Arms RDS on a .22 upper, again no issues, but for the same money I would buy the TRS-25.

My favorite low budget but quality RDS is the Lucid HD7. It's very well built, has several different recticles and the optics are clear and bright. It was on my home defense AR until I picked up an Aimpoint PRO. The lucid is now seeing duty on my teenage sons AR. Search plouffedaddy's review of the Lucid.
 
I like my SPARC. Unlike many the dot can be adjusted down to 2 MOA. Many are only 5 MOA or more. It makes it possible to actually shoot with some accuracy at longer ranges.

Compared to many others I've tried the adjustments work properly. Some I've tried were challenging to zero. Move their adjustment knob 3 clicks right and it moves your POI 6" right. Move it 3 clicks left and this time it only changes POI by 1". The SPARC was consisent and easy to zero.
 
I know mounting on the flat top is preferred...but how about mounting these small optics on the carry handle?

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I just put a BSA red dot on my ruger charger. $ different reticles to choose from a 3 MOA dot. Very nice
I am just bought a millet red dot. again a 3 MOA dot. both where in the 88-90 dollar range. maybe better for a rifle especially if co-witnessing with your irons.
 
I too enjoy the Sparc. It's held zero through thousands of rounds and some hard use carbine courses.
Also. As mentioned above I prefer the small 2moa dot. Awhile ago at a local match I was ringing steel and 300 and 400 yards with it.
 
@checkmyswag said,
I know mounting on the flat top is preferred...but how about mounting these small optics on the carry handle?
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I think you'll find the sight so high that your cheek won't touch the stock. That may or may not be ok with you.
 
I need to stop doing this my way. I really want to make mounting on the carry handle work, but it sounds like for the vast majority it isn't preferred.

Need to commit to the red dot, mounted on the flat top, with a BUIS. Also need to not try and make my carbine into a long range gun with a 4x scope. That's the other thing I've been kicking around.
 
I don't know how long range you think the thing should be. I have an out of the box carbine type AR-15 with an EOTECH on it. I can hit a man sized target 70% of the time at 500 m with it from the prone position. I consider myself average.

How much more range do you need?
 
Id like to be very accurate out to 300...not necessarily just a longer range. Ive only shot out to 500 w machine guns...not much sport in that.
 
I would suggest checking out the Vortex Strikefire...I have one on my m4gery and its a wonderful sight..Except the magnifier that comes with it is a little awkward for me.
 
Id like to be very accurate out to 300...not necessarily just a longer range.
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That will be up to you.;)

A reflex sight will be no more "accurate" than iron sights, usually less so.

Red dots are faster, easier to use and better in low light than iron sights, but they won't make you "accurate".

What size target are you wanting to be able to hit at 300 yards?

Can you resolve the target that you want to shoot at that range with an un aided eye?

Remember, a red dot is just the reflection of a light on an angled lense of glass. Don't get your expections set too high.

The only thing that I have experience with is Aimpoint and Primary Arms. There is no comparison between them, the Aimpoint is leaps and bounds ahead of the Primary Arms in performance and durability. But the Primary Arms is good for the price.

It is a great way to try out a Red Dot without spending a lot of money. It will let you try it out and if you like it, eventually when you buy a good quality Aimpoint, you can move the PA sight to the M&P 15-22 that you will invariably buy as a .22 LR training/practice rifle.;)

(When you do, I can give you pointers on how to get a lower 1/3 cowitness to match a Larue optical height.:D)
 
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