Mosin-Marauder
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I've had a change of heart, it seems. I shouldn't have expected it to hit at 300 meters without sighting it in myself. I am going to sight it in at 100 meters tomorrow.
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Going to keep with it.
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I thought you were immensely in love with your mosin and planned to shoot running animals at distance with it. 1903, arisaka, sks, enfield, or a brand new rifle. All have evolved in a matter of weeks.
Not too much of a true love, I am afraid.
"Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me proved,
I never writ, nor no man ever loved. "
William Shakespeare
Not too much of a true love, I am afraid.
"Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me proved,
I never writ, nor no man ever loved. "
William Shakespeare
Mosin-Marauder
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I do feel bad for dissing the rifle. I just wish I could shoot it better. I know it's not the rifle, it's just the idiot behind it.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Hitting at long distances is the product of skill and proper preparation.
And the meaning of "long distances" depends on the situation. I've seen people waste a lot of ammunition trying to get on paper at 100 yards with a rifle they haven't shot before.
If you can start closer, start closer.
And the meaning of "long distances" depends on the situation. I've seen people waste a lot of ammunition trying to get on paper at 100 yards with a rifle they haven't shot before.
If you can start closer, start closer.
steveNChunter
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First of all, it sounds more like an issue with your sights than the rifle itself, but regardless of that;
By the time you get the average Mosin shooting on par with the average new rifle, you will have invested more in the Mosin than the new rifle cost.
If you're on a tight budget, sell the Mosin and save for a Savage Axis, Remington 783, or Ruger American. Get it in .308 win. .308 is the easiest cartridge to find match grade ammo for, and is similar in performance/trajectory to the 7.62x54r you're using now. Any of those rifles will easily outshoot your Mosin and cost about $280-350 new.
If you want to upgrade from the plastic stock in the future, forget the Ruger. The Savage or Remington have aftermarket hardwood laminate stock offerings starting at $100.
Here's a pic of my Savage Axis stainless. It's a .223, with a Boyd's stock and Center-Point 4-16x40 scope. The rifle was $329 new, but I only have a little over $500 in the whole setup. The trigger was a little heavy from the factory but I got it down to just under 3 pounds with a few minutes of my time and zero dollars. It shoots three shot groups in the .200's at 100 yards with my handloads, shot 1/2" to 5/8" at 100 with factory ammo. I'm well pleased with it considering how much I DIDN'T pay for it
By the time you get the average Mosin shooting on par with the average new rifle, you will have invested more in the Mosin than the new rifle cost.
If you're on a tight budget, sell the Mosin and save for a Savage Axis, Remington 783, or Ruger American. Get it in .308 win. .308 is the easiest cartridge to find match grade ammo for, and is similar in performance/trajectory to the 7.62x54r you're using now. Any of those rifles will easily outshoot your Mosin and cost about $280-350 new.
If you want to upgrade from the plastic stock in the future, forget the Ruger. The Savage or Remington have aftermarket hardwood laminate stock offerings starting at $100.
Here's a pic of my Savage Axis stainless. It's a .223, with a Boyd's stock and Center-Point 4-16x40 scope. The rifle was $329 new, but I only have a little over $500 in the whole setup. The trigger was a little heavy from the factory but I got it down to just under 3 pounds with a few minutes of my time and zero dollars. It shoots three shot groups in the .200's at 100 yards with my handloads, shot 1/2" to 5/8" at 100 with factory ammo. I'm well pleased with it considering how much I DIDN'T pay for it
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I was just pulling your legs. It could be the rifle and / or you. But neither will miraculously turn great in weeks. Good shots connect with their rifles with thousands of rounds, constantly identifying mistakes and correcting them.
Your rifle, your money, and your time. You should feel free to do whatever you feel like with it.
-TL
Your rifle, your money, and your time. You should feel free to do whatever you feel like with it.
-TL
Blindstitch
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Don't kick yourself to hard. I know what i'm doing in respect to my rifles and I went to the range with my wives 22lr which I bore sighted at home for a scope I had packed away. At 25 yards I wasn't even on paper.
Frustrated I picked up my winchester 94 and sighted the new scope on that. The next cease fire at the range I pulled the target in to 15 yards and had it tuned in with 5 or so shells. The next go round back out to 25 yards went the target and a few shots more had it tweaked perfectly.
If you're having trouble with 300 yards take things back down to what you can do and repeat and tweak till you're on the mark. Then keep moving your way out as far as you want.
A word for the wise never trust someone elses zero. We all shot differently and have different quirks. I know a guy who somehow jerks to the right. His rifle is zeroed and can shoot bullseyes but I bet if you lock his rifle down in a vise it shoots 4 inches to the left.
If I have trouble or doubt a zero I'll hand the rifle off to a friend I trust and get a second opinion.
Frustrated I picked up my winchester 94 and sighted the new scope on that. The next cease fire at the range I pulled the target in to 15 yards and had it tuned in with 5 or so shells. The next go round back out to 25 yards went the target and a few shots more had it tweaked perfectly.
If you're having trouble with 300 yards take things back down to what you can do and repeat and tweak till you're on the mark. Then keep moving your way out as far as you want.
A word for the wise never trust someone elses zero. We all shot differently and have different quirks. I know a guy who somehow jerks to the right. His rifle is zeroed and can shoot bullseyes but I bet if you lock his rifle down in a vise it shoots 4 inches to the left.
If I have trouble or doubt a zero I'll hand the rifle off to a friend I trust and get a second opinion.
Blindstitch
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As for your rifle selection the Mosin is a gateway drug I'm glad I don't have one. Ok so I'll probably buy one sometime along with a 1903, arisaka, sks, enfield and who knows what.
It would be nice if that 7.7 jap ammo wasn't hard to find. But for a reloader anything is possible.
It would be nice if that 7.7 jap ammo wasn't hard to find. But for a reloader anything is possible.
Sure Shot Mc Gee
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After all this time you'd think I knew better. This thread isn't about S/S McG . Its about Mosin-Marauder.
I have to think about this subject (thread) brought to everyone's attention.> "I'll be back!!"
I have to think about this subject (thread) brought to everyone's attention.> "I'll be back!!"
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tahunua001
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there are three major problems with accuracy. either:
1. you are not accurate
2. your rifle is not accurate
3. your rifle is not capable of being shot accurately, easily.
1 and 3 are both solved by you getting lots of practice but number 3 is most difficult for a new shooter to overcome because it's a lot like a 5 year old moving straight from a tricycle to a mountain bike without training wheels. the mosin nagant in general has a heavy trigger, poor sights, stiff bolt(forcing you to unshoulder and reshoulder the firearm after every shot and mess with muscle memory) and the cheap practice ammo does not squeeze every ounce of accuracy possible from the rifle.
my personal take on this is, yes keep the mosin, but I wouldn't get discouraged that you can't hit the broad side of a barn with it and frankly I would be immensely impressed if I saw a 14 year old quasi marksman making regular gong hits at 300 meters with a military configuration mosin nagant.
my advice would be to get a cheap, but still quality rifle in an intermediate or light hunting cartridge like the savage axis, weatherby vanguard, or ruger american in .223 remington or .243 winchester. the triggers on modern hunting rifles are far superior to most military surplus pieces and the ammo for them is made to much tighter tolerances so it is easier to shoot them more accurately. spending a little trigger time with both can shed some light on what you are doing wrong or whether it's the rifle's fault rather than shooter.
1. you are not accurate
2. your rifle is not accurate
3. your rifle is not capable of being shot accurately, easily.
1 and 3 are both solved by you getting lots of practice but number 3 is most difficult for a new shooter to overcome because it's a lot like a 5 year old moving straight from a tricycle to a mountain bike without training wheels. the mosin nagant in general has a heavy trigger, poor sights, stiff bolt(forcing you to unshoulder and reshoulder the firearm after every shot and mess with muscle memory) and the cheap practice ammo does not squeeze every ounce of accuracy possible from the rifle.
my personal take on this is, yes keep the mosin, but I wouldn't get discouraged that you can't hit the broad side of a barn with it and frankly I would be immensely impressed if I saw a 14 year old quasi marksman making regular gong hits at 300 meters with a military configuration mosin nagant.
my advice would be to get a cheap, but still quality rifle in an intermediate or light hunting cartridge like the savage axis, weatherby vanguard, or ruger american in .223 remington or .243 winchester. the triggers on modern hunting rifles are far superior to most military surplus pieces and the ammo for them is made to much tighter tolerances so it is easier to shoot them more accurately. spending a little trigger time with both can shed some light on what you are doing wrong or whether it's the rifle's fault rather than shooter.
Again, I highly recommend attend a CMP GSM Clinic. Most are taught by CMP Master Instructor to teach people to use their vintage rifles.
None of us born knowing how to shoot. Somebody along the line taught us.
In 1904 President Roosevelt saw the need to teach American Citizens the use of military rifles. The Director of Civilian Marksmanship was created to do just that. In 1996 the DCM was changed to the CMP, or Civilian Marksmanship Program, with the same mission only the CMP expanded the program.
There are 15 events listed in NC. Probably more in SD and VA and surrounding stated depending on where you live.
They will teach you to shoot your mosin the way it was suppose to be shot.
https://ct.thecmp.org/app/v1/index....coming&filter=designation&filter_value=CLINIC
jersurf101
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Your Mosin is certainly capable of hitting man sized targets to 300 yards and beyond. My grandfather hunted Colorado mulies with a stock mosin for years. Listen to Kraig any work on you fundamentals of marksmanship and you will grow with your rifle.
Mosin
Don't be dishearten, we all have good days and BAD days at the range. Last week was one of those bad days for me. They don't happen that often, but they do happen. Tried to sight in a new rifle & scope, no way not enough adjustment to get it on target, problem was the rings where too high for the set up, well new rings and will try again tomorrow.
At the time I only had a 100 yard range available, should have used the 50 yard range. It is easier to start at 50 or even 25 and then bring it out to 100 yards.
I would recommend you do the same.
Jim
Don't be dishearten, we all have good days and BAD days at the range. Last week was one of those bad days for me. They don't happen that often, but they do happen. Tried to sight in a new rifle & scope, no way not enough adjustment to get it on target, problem was the rings where too high for the set up, well new rings and will try again tomorrow.
At the time I only had a 100 yard range available, should have used the 50 yard range. It is easier to start at 50 or even 25 and then bring it out to 100 yards.
I would recommend you do the same.
Jim
6.5swedeforelk
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Binding action, atrocious trigger, poor sights, cumbersome stock etc etc...
Mosin, why don't you hang that gun on a peg,
and buy something- anything, else.
You sound like an eager young fellow getting into the shooting sports and I'd hate to see you losing your enthusiasm because of that rifled crowbar!
Mosin, why don't you hang that gun on a peg,
and buy something- anything, else.
You sound like an eager young fellow getting into the shooting sports and I'd hate to see you losing your enthusiasm because of that rifled crowbar!
Heavy Metal 1
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You can accurize your MN cheaply and easily. There is a lot of good advice on the internet. I have a refurb 1943 Ishevesk with rough external finishing that I did a little inexpensive accurizing on and it shoots amazingly well. I may have gotten lucky with a good rifle, but I also have a heck of a lot more trigger time than you. I have found if I don't shoot for a month I get rusty and it takes a bit to get back up to my level of proficiency I know I am capable of.
You can attempt to accurize
It was a relatively low quality mass produced rifle. It got worse as WWII hit. Essentially a crap shoot if its a good one or not or something in between.
You can play with it and get it to do its best but you are not going to improve a poor barrel, only time, work and testing will tell.
That said, there is no reason not to try and see where it goes, shooting the old guns is fun and a lot more interesting visceral appeal than the new spiffy stuff.
Its also fun to nail a nice tight group. Each to his own or like me, I split down the middle, I like shooting the old guns and I like to do some tack driving. No reason to be limited to one or the other.
As for the OPs test protocol, phew. I start at no more than 50 yds and sometimes 25 is better. Get it on target, move it out, fine tune it and then get it good at 100. If its tight enough and consistent enough then you can maybe move to 200 but might have to keep stepping it out.
My last scope sight in at 50 I was 8 inches high. At 300 I would have been 48 inches high. I was also 3 or 4 inches left, 24 inches at 300.
It was a relatively low quality mass produced rifle. It got worse as WWII hit. Essentially a crap shoot if its a good one or not or something in between.
You can play with it and get it to do its best but you are not going to improve a poor barrel, only time, work and testing will tell.
That said, there is no reason not to try and see where it goes, shooting the old guns is fun and a lot more interesting visceral appeal than the new spiffy stuff.
Its also fun to nail a nice tight group. Each to his own or like me, I split down the middle, I like shooting the old guns and I like to do some tack driving. No reason to be limited to one or the other.
As for the OPs test protocol, phew. I start at no more than 50 yds and sometimes 25 is better. Get it on target, move it out, fine tune it and then get it good at 100. If its tight enough and consistent enough then you can maybe move to 200 but might have to keep stepping it out.
My last scope sight in at 50 I was 8 inches high. At 300 I would have been 48 inches high. I was also 3 or 4 inches left, 24 inches at 300.
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For what it's worth, this is my latest group I shot with my Mosin, which was made in 1934. The rifle is kept in original military configuration. Modifications are limited to what the Russians and Finn would do during the time. Glass bedding is the only exception. The rifle was shooting beyond lousy when I picked it up at big5 for $99. After months of tinkering, I finally found what the major problem was. After fixing that, I put 10 rounds at the target at 100 yards from bench rest, without looking through the spotting scope in between. I was surprised when it was done. The group was calculated 1.9 MOA, minus 2 flyers. That is probably what I can possibly do with my aging eyes through iron sight. For a moment, I felt like connected with one of the Soviet soldiers fighting in the rubble outside Stalingrad. Priceless!
It can be done. If a peasant soldier could do it back then, there is no reason we can't do it today. It is a matter of how determined you are.
-TL
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It can be done. If a peasant soldier could do it back then, there is no reason we can't do it today. It is a matter of how determined you are.
-TL
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Mosin-Marauder
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You know what? I'm going to make this rifle work no matter what it takes. I am going to work with this rifle until it shoots as accurate as I can get it.
First off, I'm thinking of replacing the cork shims in my rifle with steel. What width should I try?
First off, I'm thinking of replacing the cork shims in my rifle with steel. What width should I try?