Going Camping and Cant Find Heavy FMJ's

Dragline45

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I am going camping in upstate Maine next week and wanted to find some FMJ rounds in 9mm that aren't the 115gr target stuff in case I run across black bear. All I can find in the stores are HP's and I cant buy ammo online since I live in Massachusetts. The heaviest round I can find which I happen to already have a box of is the Federal 135gr Hydrashock HP's which are listed at 1060Fps. I also got some of the Winchester White Box 115gr FMJ's which are listed at 1190 FPS. Which would I be better off with?
 
FMJs for bear?? Even for protection I think there are better choices.

You want FMJ for bear since they are thick skinned and have alot of fat to penetrate and get to vitals, ideally you want some hard cast bullets but like I said I cant order online to my state. If you are referring to 9mm its the best option I have right now, plus 10+1 of 9mm and bear spray is sufficient enough for black bear IMO. Black bear are nowhere near as big or ferocious as a grizzly and they scare easily. In the 20+ years I have camped in that area I have maybe seen 3 or 4 black bear and none were bigger than 300 pounds by the looks. Often all I had on my was a .38 snub and I felt fine.
 
The hydro-shoks should be just fine. Black bears are opportunistic, not stupid. If you don't do something too close to the cubs you'll be fine. Clean your gun with some Hoppe's #9. Bears can smell freshly cleaned guns from the other side of the mountain. That's good Black bear repellant.
 
Any chance you'll be driving through Kittery Me? If so stop by the Kittery trading post you should be able to find something there.

Stu
 
Both Sellier&Bellot and Fiocchi have fmj rounds in 124gr. If they have those brands around you take a look, most places I've been that carry them carry both the 115gr and the 124gr.
 
I'd advise against any FMJ with a round nose profile.
They tend to skid on bone like a bear's skull rather than penetrate.
 
You might want to rethink carrying a 9mm for bear defense.

First off as I said its the best option I got right now besides a J frame in .38 and I don't want to carry a shotgun around all day, which I dont feel safe leaving back at camp, since I will be hiking most of the time. I think 10+1 of 9mm and bear spray will be fine. Black bear are nowhere near the size, strength, or ferocity as grizzly. They most often scare just by shouting and waving your arms. They have been taken with .22s before, let alone 9mm. Someone even posted an article recently of a 61 year old man who killed a bear attacking him with his 3 inch blade. People are under the impression that bear are impervious to anything under .44mag, simply put that's not the case.
 
I really don't think you have to worry

I live and was brought up in rural Maine and you really rarely ever see a black bear. They are very shy and normally if you encounter one you probably don't even know you have. Experienced bear hunters/trappers (I'm not) tell me that they have a tendency to freeze and watch you as you walk by.
They will come up and raid bird feeders and unoccupied camp sites if you leave food around. You hear of more encounters in towns and cities where they have been feeding on trash and get used to people. Usually you can easily chase them away. I had a plastic garbage can that what I assumed a black bear tore through the bottom one night (it woke me up) to get the garbage. When I turned on the outside light it was gone and I saw nothing. I have NEVER seen one in my yard.
Use common sense of course, I wouldn't want to come between a sow and her cubs for instance. When camping keep your food locked up, I know of someone camping up in the "county" who had a popup camper that a black bear tore into to get their food.
 
In my humble opinion , if you are not worried about black bears you don't need the 9 mm nor any more ammo. What are you worried about? They are generally timid and you can scare them away ! If you are worried at all about the bears , you are woefully undergunned and should stay home and watch TV. How anyone could conclude differently is hard for me to understand. Steve Irwin , a wildlife expert was killed by a harmless stingray. Any conclusions or lessons in these experiences of others who were killed or seriously injured by harmless wildlife? Perhaps not I guess ?
 
Chemical Agents......
Neither the 135 HP nor the 115 FMJ is the correct solution for Yogi & Boo Boo. So you might as well go with the FMJs because they stand the best chance at off-the-shelf functioning thru most spir-of-the-moment SD 9mm ammo solution.
Did I mention Chemical Agents? Yes, Sir, you in the back row holding up a Remington 870, ah, you have a question?
 
Did I mention Chemical Agents?

Already have bear spray

In my humble opinion , if you are not worried about black bears you don't need the 9 mm nor any more ammo. What are you worried about?

I'm not in fear for my life or worried about getting attacked every time I leave me house but I still carry daily, always good to be prepared. So why would it make sense to not carry a gun?

If you are worried at all about the bears , you are woefully undergunned and should stay home and watch TV. How anyone could conclude differently is hard for me to understand

Pretty confident in bear spray and and 10+1 of 9mm and a reload. Bears aren't bullet proof. Like I said in a post before a 61 year old man killed a charging bear with a 3 inch pocket knife. Woefully undergunned? I think not. Are there better choices out there? Sure there always are. Black bears are nowhere near the same ball park as grizzly's.

Steve Irwin , a wildlife expert was killed by a harmless stingray

Clearly not harmless
 
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Not sure about others, but when I go hiking or camping, I have a bear bell hanging off my pack. I'm much more worried about two-legged crazies out in the woods than bears; that's what I'd want my pistol for.

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stu925
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Any chance you'll be driving through Kittery Me? If so stop by the Kittery trading post you should be able to find something there.

Stu

I bought my first gun as a teenager at the Kittery Trading Post a long time ago. Great place even 35 years ago. I suspect it is double the size of what it was as a kid. I was still in high school, walked in, picked out the gun and out the door. Now I can't even hardly look at a gun out of CA. Go figure.
 
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In my humble opinion , if you are not worried about black bears you don't need the 9 mm nor any more ammo. What are you worried about? They are generally timid and you can scare them away ! If you are worried at all about the bears , you are woefully undergunned and should stay home and watch TV. How anyone could conclude differently is hard for me to understand. Steve Irwin , a wildlife expert was killed by a harmless stingray. Any conclusions or lessons in these experiences of others who were killed or seriously injured by harmless wildlife? Perhaps not I guess ?

+1 Daggitt,

Even black bears come in size HUGE on occasion. Yes, most are timid, but those are not the bears folks are worried about. 10 mm or .357 is the minimum level with hard cast bullets that many consider as a viable black bear defense. I remember a story I read a year or two ago about a cop trying to subdue an aggressive black bear with his 9 mm. Short story, bear won that encounter. Sorry, can't find the link any longer.

Grab a can of pepper spray if the 9 mm with FMJ is the limit. Wouldn't be my choice but I guess it is better than a stick.
 
Seems to me the record black bear was around 800#, in NC. They can get big, though 300# seems more typical.

My dad had an encounter in the Maine woods, once. His parents had a cabin off Flagstaff lake, and during one of his summer breaks from Boston University, my dad was up at the cabin. My grandparents had a hammock slung between a couple tamarack trees, and my dad decided to sleep in the hammock one night, in his sleeping bag.

He woke up to hot, bad breath in his face. Opening his eyes, he looked into the eyes of an apparently curious black bear. Being confined in a sleeping bag, on a hammock, with a bear in his face, my dad did the only reasonable thing in such a situation - he screamed like a schoolgirl, rolled to the side away from the bear, and sack-hopped the sleeping bag toward the cabin.

At the same time, the bear was startled by the high-pitched shriek, and according to my dad, the bear reared up on its hind legs, raised its front paws in front of its face in an almost "Oh no!" gesture, and fell over backwards. The bear then ran the opposite direction from my dad.

So my dad made it into the cabin, where his parents asked what the heck all the noise was about.

So far, so good, with regard to black bears being capable of feeling fear, but...

... come morning, when my dad and grandparents went outside, they found that the bear had come back, apparently angry at whatever had scared it, and had shredded the hammock and torn up one of the tamaracks.

So black bears may also be capable of feeling vengeful.
 
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