Glock Mod/Tech questions

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azwizard

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Need to hear from some Glock experts.. I have a few tech/mod questions that I want to answer. Recently purchased a Glock 19 Gen 4 for the wife, she is a new handgun shooter and does fairly well with it, in fact she shoots it as well as she shot my 1911 (4” group at 25 yards) so I was able to get that back now that she has her own gun.

Purchased at the same time was a Glock 20 Gen 4 for me as I have wanted to get into the 10mm power range for quite some time, I got this for knocking around backcountry, bear country etc.. Not so much for self defense against 2 legged critters but as a potential hunting sidearm. I’ve been hunting with handguns since I was 18. I have shot just about every style of handgun out there from CZ and clones, BHP, 1911, S&W revolvers and semi-autos, ROA’s, XD’s, HK’s and Sigs..

What I shoot the best: MY ROA .45= 1.5” groups at 80 yards, Over 20 Whitetails to date.
My Dan Wesson .357= 3” groups at 100 yards, 17 Whitetails/Mulies and 2 Elks
My 1911 .45= 4” groups at 50 yards, 4 Whitetails, 8 Turkeys
My HK .40 = 5” group at 50 yards, 3 Whitetails
My Buckmark .22 = .5” at 25 yards, More Rabbits, Squirrels, and Grouse than I can count.

With the Glock 20 so far = 3” at 25 yards.

So here come the questions:
1) What aftermarket barrel should I get for her 19? I say this because I do reload and want the fully supported chamber without the little dimples on the brass and the ability to shoot my cast bullets. If at the same time I can get a little better accuracy then even better. I’ve looked into the Alpha Wolf threaded at 4.6”.. Suggest any alternatives?
2) Same question for the 20 for me.. 10mm ammo is really impossible to find over the counter anywhere around here so I’ve picked up the dies to reload it as well. The stock barrel seems to like the 200 gr. pills the best, but that may change with the new barrel. I’ve looked into the KKM 6” Match barrel in 10mm. Suggest any alternative’s?

The overall goal here is with practice to end up at a 5-6” group with the Glock 20 at 100 yards. I don’t think that is an unreasonable nor unattainable goal.

3) I’m getting a set of SlantPro Straight Eight Night Sights, I think they should help extend the range a bit to end up with some hunting accuracy and low light sight picture. The Glock sites leave a bit to be desired. Suggest any alternative’s?

I am also considering making up a Glock Pistol Pack on the Glock 20 by picking up extra barrels to shoot other calibers thru my 20 with the same Glock 20 Magazines.

4) That said I’m looking at another KKM barrel in .40 cal conversion standard length 4.6”. Also looking at the Lone wolf conversion barrel 9mm in 6”. Suggest any alternative’s?
5) And lastly I’m thinking a 3.5# connector for the trigger group. However, I Don’t know much about alternatives.. While I know I’ll never get say a 1911 style trigger, I can get used to another trigger if it will enhance the accuracy of the weapon or keep the same trigger and just change the connector. I don’t want to and won’t do anything for a better trigger that affects reliability.

So please limit the discussion to answering the questions if you can.. I’m not trying nor do I even really want a which is a better gun argument to erupt. Guns are tools and I’ll learn to use them as is or I’ll make the mods so that they are better if I can. So far I like our Glocks, I just want to do what I can to make them a little better.
 
Lonewolf barrels are fine and typically the cheapest of the bunch. That being said, I don't like their 10mm barrels. They have gotten way too liberal with their chambers. For 10mm glock barrels I prefer storm lake, and they're just a few bucks more.
 
I've got about 1000 rds through a KKM 9mm drop in barrel for a Glock 19. I bought it basically just for kicks, but its lockup is notably tighter than the stock barrel of my 2012 and on par if not a tiny bit tighter than my older Glock 19 and 26. The accuracy has been great and I've had zero issues with function (off a rest it shoots better than the stock barrel at say 20 yds). It's actually the second I ordered as the first had a cut across the crown of the barrel. When I called KKM about it, they mailed me a replacement barrel immediately along with a prepaid shipping label to return the original barrel (I was surprised they didn't make me wait until they received the return of the original barrel before sending the replacement). All that arrived in 3 days. Their customer service is, imo, excellent.

As for sights I also like a straight eight setup, but I go with Ameriglo iDot Pro. They can be had for $80 or so, fit very well in the dovetail, and for me offer a great sight picture even for quick shooting (say from the draw). I like the sights so much I'd replace all my other sites on my other pistols with them if they made them for more models.
 
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Thanks TunnelRat, KKM has been Highly recommended to me so far. I checked out the Ameriglo sights but still prefer the Heinie's due the serrations to reduce glare..
 
Honestly I've taken multiple day long courses where I was in the bright sun from overhead, in front, and behind. Glare off of a plain black rear was never an issue, but you're welcome to go with what you want. I also find having some color on the front sight to track it better is more important when most pistol shooting techniques are about front sight focus. You could always add a little paint to the front sight of the Heinies though (I find nail polish works best).


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1) What aftermarket barrel should I get for her 19? I say this because I do reload and want the fully supported chamber without the little dimples on the brass and the ability to shoot my cast bullets. If at the same time I can get a little better accuracy then even better. I’ve looked into the Alpha Wolf threaded at 4.6”.. Suggest any alternatives?

The chamber is fully supported on the OEM barrel. You can shoot cast lead thru a Glock barrel, but you need to pay attention to lead buildup, and cleaning them is a real PITA. A standard LoneWolf barrel will work fine, however it will be no more accurate than the OEM barrel. You would have to gun smith fit it to be tighter.

2) Same question for the 20 for me.. 10mm ammo is really impossible to find over the counter anywhere around here so I’ve picked up the dies to reload it as well. The stock barrel seems to like the 200 gr. pills the best, but that may change with the new barrel. I’ve looked into the KKM 6” Match barrel in 10mm. Suggest any alternative’s?

If you are not going to shoot lead, there is no reason to get another barrel.

The overall goal here is with practice to end up at a 5-6” group with the Glock 20 at 100 yards. I don’t think that is an unreasonable nor unattainable goal.

Put in a minus connector and get rid of the OEM sights. A 5" offhand group at 100 yards is pretty tight, like shooting a one hole group at 10 yards. You probably would go with a dot sight for that group.

3) I’m getting a set of SlantPro Straight Eight Night Sights, I think they should help extend the range a bit to end up with some hunting accuracy and low light sight picture. The Glock sites leave a bit to be desired. Suggest any alternative’s?

Black Heinies are fine, but the 2 dot system is nearly impossible to pick up in low light. I run Trijicon 3 dots. There are also a number of other good sights, Dawson Precision, Taran Tactical.


I am also considering making up a Glock Pistol Pack on the Glock 20 by picking up extra barrels to shoot other calibers thru my 20 with the same Glock 20 Magazines.

4) That said I’m looking at another KKM barrel in .40 cal conversion standard length 4.6”. Also looking at the Lone wolf conversion barrel 9mm in 6”. Suggest any alternative’s?

.357SIG and if you really want some juice, the 9x25 Dillon. You may have issues with the 9mm because of the greater weight it usually takes more juice.


5) And lastly I’m thinking a 3.5# connector for the trigger group. However, I Don’t know much about alternatives.. While I know I’ll never get say a 1911 style trigger, I can get used to another trigger if it will enhance the accuracy of the weapon or keep the same trigger and just change the connector. I don’t want to and won’t do anything for a better trigger that affects reliability.

The only way to get used to a Glock trigger is to pull it 50,000 times. It will never be a 1911, even the $250 trigger kits are nowhere near any 1911 or CZ.

You really can't make a Glock better than what it is, but you can make yourself better at shooting Glocks.

For more info on Glocks, go to
http://www.glocktalk.com/
 
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Thanks for the input so far keep it coming.

TunnelRat I have some florescent orange and green spray paint I use to mark trees that I started mixing with a little dab of Glow in the dark paint and then dry brush onto the front sight on my other guns, including a few shotgun beads. Makes them stand out pretty good.

9X45, I do plan on shooting Lead out of both of the Glocks so I was trying to steer away from the polygonal rifling. I also shoot heavy for caliber bullets if I can get the handloads dialed in.

I considered the .357 sig and the 9X25 Dillon but they just add two more cartridges to hand load for. with the 9mm I'll already be shooting that in the wifes 19 and I'd like to save just a little bit more money and shoot that in the 20. The .40 S&W I already handload for and have several thousand empty brass for it so it only makes sense to add that barrel to the kit. The 10mm will add an extra 1.5" to the length and shoot lead with out issue.

The heine sights with the way they are made can actually add a .5" to the sight radius. I've never had Night sights before but I prefer the two stacked 8 dots over the three horizontal dots as I have seen some people with eye dominance problems actually mis-align the sight so far horizontally as to still have the three dots line up but shoot way off to the side of the target. Basicaly twisting the wrist around to the side so far as to have the front sight outside of the notch yet still seeing 3 horizontal dots.

So you suggest sticking with just the - connector for the trigger.. That's fine.. If you noticed I shoot the Revolvers more accurately that the Autos anyway. So I'll just put more time into the Glock trigger. I kind of like it anyway once the take up is done the reset is great. Was just looking for an option on the first shot to make it crisper and reduce travel if there was a way.

As for the 5-6" group at 100 yards everyone has to have a goal, Lol but honestly I've won a lot of money out shooting guys with their .30-30's against my Dan Wesson. We have a 2'X2' piece of plate steel down at the gravel pit that we all use that's the 300 yard backstop. I'll ding it 4 out of 6 shots compared to their usual 1-2. I use shooting sticks.

Again everyone thanks for the input and Keep it coming.
 
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I've never personally had issues with two dot sighting systems and low light. I always point out that if the light is really low, you want a light and should at least have a handheld on you. I completely agree getting to a light might not always be possible and low light situations like car parks might not require it, but it's something to keep in mind. With pistols to me the key is getting that front sight on target, then pressing the trigger. Systems like the XS sighting system, which I don't like as much as straight eight, show that front sights are really all that's needed for "combat effective" hits. Lining up three green dots isn't required to get good hits (this isn't me downplaying the importance of good sight picture, it's me pointing out that if you're having to shoot without a light because you're being pressed then focusing on that front sight is likely more critical and time effective than lining up the rear).

I'd point out that what works/doesn't with pistols in terms of sighting systems is very user dependent. I'm cross-eye dominant. I find that straight eight sights, for some reason, work better for me than three dots in terms of keeping my windage centered. Now I've never had the issue of actually twisting my wrist so much that the front dot ends up outside the rear notch (with how I shoot I'd have to twist my wrist to an extreme level that completely conflicts with my natural point). I also prefer fewer dots as with my glasses' prescription too much going on with the rear sight can actually screw my focal point up and I start focusing in on the rear rather than the front (actually one reason I don't like serrations as my eyes start focusing on fine details). This is just my screwy eyes being what they are, but it goes to my point that what works is often user dependent.

TunnelRat I have some florescent orange and green spray paint I use to mark trees that I started mixing with a little dab of Glow in the dark paint and then dry brush onto the front sight on my other guns, including a few shotgun beads. Makes them stand out pretty good.
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Good idea!

Was just looking for an option on the first shot to make it crisper and reduce travel if there was a way.
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Actually just swapping to a lighter connector will make the break and reset feel a bit mushier rather than crispier, although the break will be lighter. I know Zev is pretty popular on here. Uncle Malice and Constantine are some good contacts to ask.
 
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No expert, but just built up a g21 from g20.
Did not replace connector at present, but put in Zev trigger spring and titanium safety plunger and spring. And LWD barrel.
And it is nice. Much crisper and bit lighter than my other stock g21c.
I only ran a box thru and I was dead accurate! I'll shoot more soon, few hundred, and might just leave it alone.
The new slide came with higher orange sites that are miles better than stock. I really am impressed with the gun. Also added lasermax Spartan grenl laser instead of a light. Have not tested laser yet but it's visibility is excellent in daytime dry fire.
And g19 is next in line with diff. Barell. The Zev threaded is on my list for g19 build. A little more $$ but look nice.
 
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