GLOCK/KIMBER, WHAT WOULD YOU DO???

F

funinsun

New member
I am zeroing in on my purchase of the long awaited Kimber CDP (Yes they are out there!)

BUT I have been browsing the Glocktalk website and am definetly curious.

My question to you: Go for the Kimber CDP or Glock 27 and get a bunch of aftermarket goodies for it, ie: night sites, drop-in match barrel, better trigger grouping etc.??

The ease and simplicity of the glocks and the kydex holsters for them scream practicality and concealed carry-the Kimber is just that-a full house custom in .45.

I figure I can bring the accuracy of the Glock up a bit with the aftermarket parts.

Whichever one I get will be my primary carry weapon here in S. Florida. (Now carry USP .40)

Money is not an object in this decision. Although my wife is-just one gun not two and not the second one after 1 month, (god bless her for trying).

WHAT WOULD YOU DO!!!!!!!
 
I would get the Kimber, but that's just me...I know that I can shoot a 1911 more accurately than a Glock and that the 1911 points more naturally for me. I also have had a couple Glock 27s and I know I dislike the muzzle flip I get with them. Shoot both, see which one you like better.
 
I have a kimber ULTRA ELITE for sale that I payed $1000 for. I also have kevlar grips ($100) and two mcchormicks 7 round flush extra clips ($50) for it. I bought it new in january and put less than 200 round throught it. e-mail me if interested.
View




[This message has been edited by chaho (edited April 26, 2000).]
 
I have a Kimber Stainless covert and lots of Glocks. No 27 though. For carry go Glock. the Kimber is just to "Nice". Believe me I love my Kimber but for every day use. Go Glock.
 
Recommend the full-size 1911's as easiest to shoot...


...sold my M20, carry my 1911 or 9x19 Witness.

------------------
"All my ammo is factory ammo"
 
Don't forget - if you ever have to use a carry gun for real, you will find yourself the defendant in a civil lawsuit, whether or not you're prosecuted. If you've modified the gun in any way, the other side will use that against you, even though we know the mods had nothing to do with the shooting. They'll spew crap like "hair trigger", etc. Standard advice is to use a gun right out of the box so you can head off that issue before it even comes up. Out of the box means Glock.
 
Sorry Jeff, that just aint so. You MAY be sued, but that depends on many many variables. I know a few people who had to use their carry gun and none were sued. It is probably a good idea to have a lawyer just in case, but it is basically folly to choose your carry gun based on that eventuality. Also, a Kimber is not a "modified" gun with a hair trigger. It needs no modifications out of the box to work properly.
You read too much Ayoob.
 
Legion 3's advice is the same I'd give. I've owned both Kimbers and Glocks. I like the Kimber better and shoot it more accurately while target shooting, but the Glock carries better and I shoot better w/ it when shooting fast and close. The G27 does have too much muzzle flip for me for fast follow-up shots. Consider the G26 in 9mm or the G23 in 40. Shoot them all and pick!

Good Luck,
Dave
 
RikWriter -let's review:

You said: "...a Kimber is not a 'modified' gun with a hair trigger.

I never said it was. I said: "If you've modified the gun in any way, the other side will use that against you, even though we know the mods had nothing to do with the shooting. They'll (that is, the ambulance chaser, not me) spew crap like "hair trigger", etc."

You said: "It needs no modifications out of the box to work properly."

I never said it did. Nowhere did I mention working properly.

I've never read Ayoob. You've been reading something, but it wasn't my previous post.
 
Jeff, you said:
>>Standard advice is to use a gun right out of the box so you can head off that issue before it even comes up. Out of the box means Glock. <<

That implies the Kimber needs modifications. Please try to deny it.
 
I like the Kimber Ultra Carry that I have and I shoot it much better than I do my father's Glocks. I keep hearing debates going back and forth on what is the better carry gun, but it seems to me that the answer would be whatever works best for you. I know from shooting my Kimber that it is very reliable with the defense loads that I use in it. I also know that the Glocks are reliable, both from watching my father shoot the several that he has owned; as while as, reading about them in various publications over the years. As far as getting into trouble after the fact because your gun looks "nasty", while lets face it, in our present society anything but a "pom pom" in a sixteen year old cheerleaders hands could be construed as a lethal weapon, (and I'm sure I'll live to see the day when that too will change) that should be kept out of the hands of everybody, period! If you are forced into a situation where you have to use deadly force than do what you have to do. Just remember when the smoke clears having had a gun that is right out of the box loaded with the most politically correct ammo, won't help you where the law is concerned if you weren't justified in using it in the first place. If it was a totally justifiable shooting chances are you will probably escape prosecution no matter what your choice of sidearm is; if it wasn't, well, better get used to bars. If you happen to be one of the unlucky few who fall victim to the paranoia of society and spend some time in the county lockup, well, remember your alive and be thankful for that.
 
Go Glock. My 9 year-old G17 has NEVER malfunctioned. It holds 17 rounds. It's light as a feather. And it's combat-ready out of the box. It shoots almost as accurately as my customized 1911. You can abuse it, drop it, submerge it, freeze it, throw it a mud puddle and it will still shoot to point of aim.
 
You're comparing Mercedes to Lexus. Great guns but the key is which manual or arms are you best with - 1911 style or safe-action trigger. For concelability and simplicity, I'd go with the G27. It's a real zinger for the money!

------------------
The Seattle SharpShooter
 
As a former prosecutor and AAG, I will tell you that modifications to your carry gun can and will make you look bad in a self defense shooting case where you're sued for wrongful death.

We know that mods increase operations but not lethality but non-gun people don't.

I can easily see an ambitious plaintiff's attorney for the guy you didn't "stop" coming at you with gun freak, wanted to kill people, super modified gun to aim better to kill people, put a hair trigger on the gun to shoot it faster kind of arguments.

It's not right but that's waht does happen in court. An appeal to the jury's emotion and if it doesn't look good for you, the wrong jury could make you give up the farm!

DON'T MODIFY CARRY GUNS EVER!

Then Mr. Gaston, Mr. Kimber, Mr. Ruger can do all the talking for you!

------------------
The Seattle SharpShooter

[This message has been edited by jtduncan (edited April 27, 2000).]
 
Modifications can hurt if they can reasonably be perceived as making the gun MORE dangerous (i.e. disabling safeties). Mods that make the gun (or can be reasonably described as making) safer won't hurt. These include night sights or better sights (to improve accuracy), a trigger job which doesn't reduce weight but only smooths it out, increasing trigger weight (ala the NY trigger for Glocks), better grips, or ambidextrous controls. All of these make the weapon more easily controlled, which means more effectively used.

For a prosecutor or plaintiff's attorney to make an issue out of such modifications, they have to introduce an expert (which should read "prostitute") to opine about the dangerousness of the mods. At this point, you slaughter them ("so, you're saying that having smaller sights which make it more difficult to hit what you're aiming at is SAFER, sir?" or "so, having a safety which is too small to be effectively used by this person is BETTER in your opinion than having a safety that he can use, thus allowing him to operate the weapon in a safer manner?")

Get what you can effectively use, document your skills (through IDPA or training), and document the reasons why you made any necessary (not just cool) mods. This should get rid of the leaches . . . I mean, my fellow brethren of the bar.
 
Yall seem to be missing the point that the Kimber does not NEED ANY MODIFICATION out of the box. Jeff was IMPLYING it did, which is incorrect. This thread isn't "Glock vs customized 1911" it's Glock/Kimber.
 
I have owned both a G26 and a Kimber Ultra Elite. The Glock is gone, the Ultra Elite stays.

------------------
Get your 1911s and AR15s while you still can!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top