Glock 36 or Colt Commander

Patrick Murphy

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Buying a .45 next week - its role will be house defensive gun. Which do you guys prefer. I've never owned a 1911 style pistol but am very familiar with Glocks and currently own a 33 (small 357 Sig). On the other hand I've always wanted a 1911 and am not sure any handgun collection, even a small one, is complete without one. Would the Colt be reliable enough?
 
Glock 36 you will love it. Just don't shoot Winchester USA ball in it the ammo is under powered for this gun.
 
I have a soft spot for commander length 1911's. I'd go with that over the G36. Only advantage the G36 has is light weight and the dis-advantage of one less round. I prefer the Officer sized 1911's over the G36 as well. No gun collection is complete without at least one 1911 style pistol!!! :D

Rick
 
Expand your horizons. Buy the Colt. You already have a Glock. I'm pretty sure that once you become user friendly with the 1911, you will be fully corrupted. ;)
 
Concur. I'd been a "Wonder Nine" man for years, and then stepped up to a G22/.40. I then fell into a Kimber Pro Carry HD .45 ACP. CANNOT BELIEVE I WAITED ALL THESE YEARS to join the "1911 Club." They are a joy to shoot, and MAN those bullets are big.

Now, when I carry my Kimber in Condition No.1, I wonder how I carried my Glock, and felt "safe". Now I am still truly a fan Glocks, and want to get a G36 as well, or a G27, But 1911s are awesome..
 
Neither

For home look into a G21, it's actually about the same size as a Commander.

A well tuned 1911 trigger pull is hard to beat, but a Glock with a 3.5 pound pull is no slouch. I've had good luck with 1911s, never had one that gave me problems. But Glocks I've also never had a problem with a Glock. The Tenifer finish, light weight and simplicity of a Glock makes them my favorite defense tool :D
 
My leanings are in the direction of the Colt Commander.(but I've seen some darn fine shooting done with a Glock 30)
The front sight fell off my Colt Commander after less than 50 rounds. I took it back to the dealer and he put it back on. That was a few thousand rounds ago. It's been 100% except for that initial blurb.

Even though I also have a full sized Kimber, I tend to favor the Commander for HD use. The more compact size just feels better.
 
I think we might need to define what you mean by a "house defensive gun." Usually, I think of house gun as what is on the night stand by my bed at night and on top of a book case near the door during the day. For that usage, there are definitely better choices than a G36 including a G30 (my favourite) or a G21 as Tecolote recommended. There is no need for a weapon as small as the G36 in that role.

Now for 1911s - I have never had a reliability issue in any Colt (1991A1, "Enhanced" or XS) I have owned. They have all been reliable straight out of the box even to feeding the notorious "flying ashtrays," but if I bought one for home defense I would fire several magazines-full (of each magazine I planned to use) of the ammo I planned to use. (Actually, I would do this for the G30 or any other weapon I was going to use in life or death role. I would test the 1911 style or G36--it appears to be somewhat finicky about ammo--a little more thoroughly than I would a G30 or G21.) The weakest reliability link in the 1911 is usually the magazine (and I would say they are more "fragile"--susceptible to damage than a Glock magazine). Again though, for your stated use, I would probably toward a full-size 1911 over a Commander--particularly as a first one--(and definitely over anything smaller than a Commander). The full-size models tend to optimize the ammo performance (the nominal barrel length for .45 ACP is five inches), will have a slight reliability (probably not over the Commander, but definitely over smaller models) and are easier to shoot than the "lightweight" versions of the Commander. As a reference point, there is far less size difference between a full-size 1911 and a Commander than there is between a G21 and a G30. (And just FYI, I have never been a Commander fan which my colour may remarks somewhat.)

Now some minor "compare and contrast" - If you are familiar and comfortable with a Glock and have limited or no experience with the 1911, I would stick with the Glock for a house gun--what you do not want to do is roll out of the bed at 0230 and have to figure out (remember) how to operate the weapon in your hand. The 1911 will need to be in Condition 1 (cocked and locked) with the manual safety engaged where the Glock will be ready to go. When you disengage the manual safety, you will have far better trigger (lighter, less travel and "crisper") than a Glock. These are very nice attributes at the range or when you are fully awake and fully functional. I am not so sure they are what you want when you are awakened by something going "bump in the night" unless you are intimately familiar with them. (To be honest, I would go so far as to recommend the NY1 for this application--house gun--in the Glock.) A G21 or G30 would give you a 25% (a 75% increase with high caps) in ammo capacity. I don't really consider it a big issue, but it might be factor is someone is kicking down your door and you don't have a spare magazine in your pocket (when something does goes "bump in the night," I grab my flashlight and weapon but not a spare mag--probably not "best practice" on my part).

If someone told me year ago I would be arguing the merits of a Glock over the 1911, I would have called them a liar. Now, if you are buying just for fun and to broaden your horizons, by all means, go get you a 1911. I do applaud your acumen in selecting the .45 ACP over the 357 Sig as a defense round (just to aggravate the 357 Sig fanatics :) :) :)).
 
For home defense I would go with a full size 1911 or full size Glock.Perhaps even consider the CZ97.The larger guns will give you less recoil and faster follow up shots if nessesary.If you plan on carrying the gun THEN I would consider a G36 or Commander.While I do carry a full size 1911 as a CCW, I would love to get a G36 as a backup gun.Good luck hunting.
 
Call me oppositional. I carry a Kimber Compact, but for a house gun, I like a snubby (or if you prefer the smaller gun of your choice). My logic is twofold: Primarily, I want a gun that I can tuck in the pocket of my bathrobe to go to the door with at 3:00 a.m. if the doorbell rings. Secondly, if there is a home invasion, I'm not clearing the house. I'm holing up in my bedroom and waiting on somebody to come and get me. Within the distances involved with my bedroom, the snubby is plenty accuate enough if it needs to be used.

RJ
 
Well I personally dislike Glocks, don't like the trigger and HATE the looks. But for a middle of the night home defense gun I would pick that over the 1911 pattern guns. Actually my middle of the night preference is a good revolver. The SA trigger on a good 1911 is a joy, but too durn touchy for a half awake, scared, adreniline pumping situation. The .45 ACP isn't a bad choice though, although I do use .357 Mag for my choice (revolver, remember). My choice is also influenced by the fact that my house had five inch real plaster interior walls, faced with common construction modern drywall I would tend to something with less penetration.
 
I prefer Glocks all around so don't think I'm bashing them, but I do keep my 1991A1 in the nightstand drawer instead of the Glock.

The reason is that I'm comfortable with a cocked and locked .45 in there, but reaching in the dark for a loaded glock in a drawer with a flashlight while I'm tired and "nervous" makes me a bit uncomfortable. Could keep the Glock in it's Kydex holster but then it would take two hands to get it in action and I might not have that option.
 
The Colt is a great pistol, but the edges are sure to wear a hole in your pocket. The Glock is lighter and slimmer and should fit well in your pants pocket or coat pocket. Personally, I don't like any semi-auto pistol that doesn't have a safety. If you intend to use a holster all the time, consider the Colt. If not, think about the Glock.
 
Either type (Glock or 1911 style) will do you well. Keep in mind, that should you actually "use" said firearm, it WILL be confiscated as evidence.

Having said that, which would you prefer to lose? I've been told by local police friends that if you are involved in a shooting (either inside your house or out), they will send a team to your house to remove ALL OTHER firearms/knives, etc. that you own, leaving you...(any LE reading, please enlighten me/us as to your MO regarding the aforementioned)

Regardless, for the home, get a dog. If you have kids, keep weapon nearby w/ mag out, chamber empty. When said dog begins to bark seriously (you know the difference between their "let me out" and "let me at 'em"), pick up weapon, load mag, charge and either call 911 (if you're so inclined), call the dog, or go hunting for trouble.

Since you've got a Glock, get the Commander (Combat, all steel frame preferably).

Just my $.02

Adios Qweeksdraw
 
For the purpose you cite I think the Glock 30 is optimal. It is also carryable, if not quite as carryable as the 36. I have both and keep the 30 bedside. In my view the 36 is really best as a CCW weapon. I recently acquired a 1911 (full-size, Government, Colt Sistema) but haven't yet "certified" it with self-defense ammo; it's now at a 'smith getting a "reliability" package, new trigger, beavertail safety grip, et al. I admit to liking the idea of cocked-and-locked in an HD gun but the proven reliability of the Glock (I have yet to have a miscue in over 1,000 rounds with the G30 personally) is hard to overlook.
 
I elected to go with a Sringfield Mil-Spec full-size 1911. I pick it up Thursday. If it's not reliable with 230 gr. Gold Dots, I'll send it back to SA. The Glock probably makes more sense, but I'm in the grip of 1911 fever. Thanks to everyone who responded.
 
Go to GlockTalk. The jury is still out on the G36. Shot it and thought it needed a lot of improvement.

Now G30 is fine.

But between your choices, the Colt.

Or a Kimber Ultra Carry or is it the CDP?
 
Originally posted bt Rebeldon:

The Colt is a great pistol, but the edges are sure to wear a hole in your pocket. The Glock is lighter and slimmer and should fit well in your pants pocket or coat pocket. Personally, I don't like any semi-auto pistol that doesn't have a safety. If you intend to use a holster all the time, consider the Colt. If not, think about the Glock.
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I would not carry a Glock without a holster that covers the trigger-guard.

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Originally posted by Patrick Murphy:

Would the Colt be reliable enough?
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The Colt Combat Commander is my favorite semi-auto handgun.
I would choose the Commander over the Glock.

That said, my Commander, purchased more than 12 years ago, was still not 100% reliable after firing 1000 rounds of hardball.
A "reliability package" done by Terry Tussey made the Commander 100% reliable with Hydra-Shoks, hardball, and every other factory round that I have tried.
http://www.tusseycustom.com/making.htm

My Glock 17 has never had a failure.
I would say that your chances of getting a reliable out-of-the-box gun are better with the Glock.

Good luck with whichever gun you decide on.

-Mk.IV
 
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