Glock 21 vs. 1911

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David Ramsey

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I was at the range with my Glock 19 and a Kimber Gold Combat. The Gold Combat cost 3 times the Glock. I have 10 rounds in the Glock. I fire 10 rounds, down zero hits, throw the Glock down to go to the Kimber in my Holster. The Kimber jams due to the slide stop walking out. I look down and the Glock is muzzle down in the mud. My buddies, go "I can't believe you just did that." I knock the mud out of the muzzle, insert another magazine and fire 10 more rounds out of the Glock. My buddy says, "Oh dear, the Kimer's 3 times more expensive, you throw the Glock in the mud and it runs fine." Maybe you should think about a Glock 21.
Give me the scoop. How's the grip angle? Compare a Glock 21 to a 1911.
Please don't give me any gun safety stuff. I ran the Glock dry and o.k. it wasn't the smartest thing to do, but the idea was fun.
 
High end Kimbers tend not to be as reliable as the Classic Custom, at least from what I have seen at the range, and read.

Glock v.1911 is not an either/or situation. You know you really want, and need, both. The sooner you make this epiphany, the better.

Get rid of that Gold Combat, and buy yourself a G21 (or better yet a G30) and a Kimber Custom or a plain jane Colt.
 
All my 1911s have been Series 70 or older; or ex-GI. Never no problems, nohow, notime.

Had whichever Glock does .45ACP. Shot good. Ugly. Sold it.

The best pistol is the one with which you can shoot best, and I personally add, "looks good". Any pistol can be made reliable, but for the money I'll take the old stuff--it seems to start out reliable.

:), $0.02, Art
 
For me, I would go w/ ...hmmmm...???
1911 - Classic lines, rich AMERICAN history, lots of accessories, can be very accurate, reliable & durable
Glock XX - Plastic....er...for the money, we call it POL - Y - MER :D, good accuracy, very reliable, very durable, not much to look at!

Yup, I got both too! :rolleyes:
 
The grip angle on the G21 matches that of your G19. (I own both.)

The difference is in size, and there's a substantial one. Most folks think a G21 grips like a 2x4. I happen to love it (got BIG hands).

Have you ever tried one at the range? If not, you ought to if you're seriously considering getting one. It's "kin" to the G19, but they're more like cousins than brothers. :D
 
For whatever it's worth. Over on the 1911 forum, Larry Vickers posted a thread of a sand test he conducted with a 1911, Glock 21 and an H&K Tactical. The 1911's consisted of , one customized and one box stock GI gun. The H&K performed the best, with the customized 1911 coming in second. The GI 1911 came in a distant third and the G21 failed. The Glocks trigger wouldn't reset. He thinks sand got up in the hoillow area of the grip, to cause the trigger reset failures.
 
Not to start a Glock vs. 1911 thing again (I think every forum has this going also:rolleyes: ) Yes, the grip angle is very much different between the G21 and 1911. Not only the angle but the width, G21 is MASSIVE. If you slide stop is the culprit why don't you buy a Wilson built proof and fix it. Heck, I bet Kimber would just as well send you a replacement.

"down zero hits, throw the Glock down to go to the Kimber in my Holster"

I may be misunderstanding this but you didn't hit your target? If your a better shot with the Kimber stick with it. It should be a simple fix if it's your slide stop. There are plenty of 1911's that shoot well when dirty.

Ditto the Vickers sand test. The Glock had problems reseting the trigger due to sand in it.

Glocks are good guns but you have to take them at face value, they have draw backs also.
 
You probably shouldn't throw your Glock into the mud and shoot it if you don't have to. It would have scared the hell out of me if I saw you do that at the range.
 
If grit in the butt of the Glock is the culprit, you can buy an aftermarket plug for it for a couple of bucks.

Personally, I prefer the 1911 99% of the time, but I use a G21 for home defense. If I gotta use it, it's homely enough that I won't fret over it if the local PD commandeers it for evidence. I'd be PO'd if they took one of my pretty ones.
 
I have a novel solution: replace the crappy stock Kimber slide stop with a Wilson or Ed Brown unit, and stop worrying.

This is not the first story I've heard of problems with the stock Kimber slide stop. I myself once had a Kimber that refused to lock open when empty. And if it's a loose fit in the gun, it can easily walk out and lock up the gun. It's a cheap part problem, not a 1911 problem.
 
That was my point when I posted about the sand test. Larry Vickers felt that the problem could be taken care of by using one of them butt plugs. I wasn't trying to downgrade the Glock, I use a G19 for concealed carry.
 
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