Glock 19 with +p ammo
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It is safe to do so, but the question is "why?" If you want more power move on up to .40 S&W or even .357 Sig. Such ammunition does accelerate wear and tear on a gun. It may take a lot of such ammo to do any damage, but with guns getting more valuable and harder to get, longevity is now getting to be a serious consideration. Normal velocity ammunition with the new high tech design bullets should do just fine. Don't fall into the voices of the gun rag types that are nothing more than glorified ammo salesmen.
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Specialists in the use and training of lethal force.
Pluspinc and house:
I have been shooting thousnads of PROLOAD 124gr +P Flat Tip for practice through my G19 using a heavy 24lbs recoil spring. And I always use the same weight and recoil felt PROLOAD 124gr +P JHP for carry for obvious reasons.
And at velocities of 1400, energy of 500, and penetration depth of 14" off of my 17rnd G19 I think that will do plenty of damage. Pulspinc I have been on your site and respect your opinions. And I am not going into a debate with you or any one else on this matter.
I have been shooting thousnads of PROLOAD 124gr +P Flat Tip for practice through my G19 using a heavy 24lbs recoil spring. And I always use the same weight and recoil felt PROLOAD 124gr +P JHP for carry for obvious reasons.
And at velocities of 1400, energy of 500, and penetration depth of 14" off of my 17rnd G19 I think that will do plenty of damage. Pulspinc I have been on your site and respect your opinions. And I am not going into a debate with you or any one else on this matter.
I cannot claim to have shot 1000s of rounds of +p or +p+, would that I had that kind of money, but I've not had trouble with a couple hundreds rounds of +p in a Glock 19.
I agree that shooting extremely hot 9mm rounds, unless in a military situation where choice doesn't exist, makes little sense. Move up to a 40SW. The wear and tear on your pistol will increase significantly if you feed it a conitinuous diet of scorching ammo.
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So many pistols, so little money.
I agree that shooting extremely hot 9mm rounds, unless in a military situation where choice doesn't exist, makes little sense. Move up to a 40SW. The wear and tear on your pistol will increase significantly if you feed it a conitinuous diet of scorching ammo.
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So many pistols, so little money.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by house:
I was wondering is it safe to shoot +p or +p+
9mm ammo in a glock 19? will this harm the gun in anyway?
House[/quote]
I've used both in a Glock 17. But I only carry +P or +P+ if I'm carrying (once I'm sure the selected round feeds OK.
For just practise, I see little need of +P.
I was wondering is it safe to shoot +p or +p+
9mm ammo in a glock 19? will this harm the gun in anyway?
House[/quote]
I've used both in a Glock 17. But I only carry +P or +P+ if I'm carrying (once I'm sure the selected round feeds OK.
For just practise, I see little need of +P.
WalterGAII
Moderator
Get a Wolff guide rod and some heavier springs and have at it. Your 9mm Glock is just as strong as a .40 Cal. Glock.
Caho,just a matter of physics. A 9mm is a 9mm and trying to make it a 9mm Magnum just doesnt make much sense with guns getting more expensive and even hard to get. I want one of those 250,000 round Glocks in my collection. I'm now buying spare parts to boot. I have other guns with more punch if I need them. I'm not restricted to a 9mm. I consider the 9mm in all reality for "light work" and carry one often. I just don't like beating a gun for no real reason. I'll just move UP if I need the extra soup.
JUST a matter of economics, a 9mm not only considered to be the most popular pistol round in the world but also cheaper to shoot than its big brothers. Also .40 cal or .357 cal is not considered a pistol match ammo in the shooting sport world; And a hell of a lot more expensive to shoot. And I do not think the US ARMY as well as any army throught the world use 9mm just because they are JUST 9mm or to do "light work" ! As far as wearing down a gun, you can wear any gun in any caliber just as wearing down a 6,8,or 12 cylider car. You are right I am trying to make my four cylider car super turbo charged with F-14 wings "LOL". Anyway...thanks for the chat and good shooting. Oh, If I want to move up, I will go right into my M-3 benelli folder 8rnd shot gun but then again I will have difficulty trying to conceal it unless I am wearing my black trench coat.
WHY?
WHY?
WHY?
There is no need to shot +P ammo in your guns unless you are LE and then only if your department is paying for it.
Standard velocity ammo will more than train you for defensive or offensive shooting.
Why spend the extra money on that +P stuff?
The NATO rounds our Glocks, Sigs, and HKs were designed around 115/125 grain 9mm bullets doing 1299 fps. Why the extra 101 fps? Can't be accuracy.
Your at risk of kaboom baby at those velocities. I wouldn't risk my gun or my limb for the extra fps.
You're just busting your gun up. Check for metal shavings next time you clean your gun.
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The Seattle SharpShooter
WHY?
WHY?
There is no need to shot +P ammo in your guns unless you are LE and then only if your department is paying for it.
Standard velocity ammo will more than train you for defensive or offensive shooting.
Why spend the extra money on that +P stuff?
The NATO rounds our Glocks, Sigs, and HKs were designed around 115/125 grain 9mm bullets doing 1299 fps. Why the extra 101 fps? Can't be accuracy.
Your at risk of kaboom baby at those velocities. I wouldn't risk my gun or my limb for the extra fps.
You're just busting your gun up. Check for metal shavings next time you clean your gun.
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The Seattle SharpShooter
I have to agree. Wnat to go hot 9mm's? Then do it right, move to 357Sig's. Those are like 9mm's on steroids. Or better yet, buy a fully supported .40 S&W barrel from someone like BarSto for your Glock 19, and shoot those. Volent rounds like +P is not a good diet. It's like eating soda and chips for every meal, eventually, it will mess up your pipes, I mean that in both sense.
BarSto Barrel, fully supported $185. Now you have a gun in both calibers. It's safer to shoot than +p 9mm's.
Shoot safe,
Albert
BarSto Barrel, fully supported $185. Now you have a gun in both calibers. It's safer to shoot than +p 9mm's.
Shoot safe,
Albert
A while back ago, Corbon and Triton both made an offer to give away a free box of ammo to try simply for asking.
I tried the Corbon +P 124gr JHP for my Glock 19 and nearly every one of those jammed my gun... and no I wasnt limp wristing my gun. These rounds are noticeably shorter and have a flatter bullet head compared to FMJ ball or other hollow points. They even jammed when inserting a full mag and them releasing the slide.
I did try Triton's ammo, and these appear to be a little longer and rounder than Corbon's and every one of these babies fires! I keep my carry mag loaded with Triton.
BTW, for carry purposes... I no longer carry my Glock 19, I upgraded to an H&K USPc 45 with my tax refund this year
Mark
I tried the Corbon +P 124gr JHP for my Glock 19 and nearly every one of those jammed my gun... and no I wasnt limp wristing my gun. These rounds are noticeably shorter and have a flatter bullet head compared to FMJ ball or other hollow points. They even jammed when inserting a full mag and them releasing the slide.
I did try Triton's ammo, and these appear to be a little longer and rounder than Corbon's and every one of these babies fires! I keep my carry mag loaded with Triton.
BTW, for carry purposes... I no longer carry my Glock 19, I upgraded to an H&K USPc 45 with my tax refund this year
Mark
Cost? When it comes to MY hide cost isn't an issue. Even reloading the .45 ACP costs more to reload and even more to buy NEW. Considering the consequences the extra few bucks is chump change. Cost?
If you have a heart attack have fun arguing fees and costs at the hospital. But a buck is a buck.
When in trouble you don't wish for a SMALLER gun.
If you have a heart attack have fun arguing fees and costs at the hospital. But a buck is a buck.
When in trouble you don't wish for a SMALLER gun.
House: If you want to shoot +P ammo in your Glock 19, go right ahead. It will cause a bit more wear and tear, but you'll still need to shoot thousands and thousands and thousands of rounds to wear out your Glock.
Consider the following:
The 9mm Glock pistols were designed around 9mm NATO ammo, which operates at a higher pressure level than SAAMI specs for 9mm +P.
Most .40 S&W pistols are built on the same frame used for a given manufacturer's 9mm pistols. For instance, the Glock 23 and the Glock 19 are the same size, the same weight (the 23 is actually a bit lighter) and even use the same recoil spring assembly. Why would one last longer than the other if both are used with ammunition generating similar pressures and recoil energies?
Consider the following:
The 9mm Glock pistols were designed around 9mm NATO ammo, which operates at a higher pressure level than SAAMI specs for 9mm +P.
Most .40 S&W pistols are built on the same frame used for a given manufacturer's 9mm pistols. For instance, the Glock 23 and the Glock 19 are the same size, the same weight (the 23 is actually a bit lighter) and even use the same recoil spring assembly. Why would one last longer than the other if both are used with ammunition generating similar pressures and recoil energies?
I don't usually take sides on issues like this, but it seems like everyone is offering opinions, not answers. To answer the question, YES, you can shoot +p and +p+ ammo from your Glock. BUT.....read your owners manual about waranty information regarding the use of such ammunition. If it breaks and the manufacturer finds out that you've been using out of recommendation ammo somehow, you're stuck with the repair bill or a very fancy paperweight!!
There is some debate as to if it will harm your gun. That depends on what condition that it is in to start with, how often and thuroughly you clean it, and how often you replace (or are willing to replace) things like recoil springs, etc. Look into wolf gunsprings if you plan on a steady diet of such ammo, and tune the pistol for it. This will help extend the life of it, but there can be no question that greater mechanical stress on a gun will eventually wear it out. It would appear on the surface that it will die sooner, but this all ties into spring tuning and regular maintenance. Any well tuned machine will break down if not maintained properly and in a timely manner.
As to the super man syndrome behind +p and +p+ ammo, (here's the opinion part!) it's mostly just bullet sales hype. Any well designed hollow point that feeds reliably and shoots accurately in your gun is what is best for it. Besides, it's relatively well established that hollow point bullets only show a MARKED expansion (in a perfect world) increase when accelerated above 1300fps, and even then only about 8% more diameter with only a marginal increase in penetration depth. Below that, it's all the same apples!
Use standard pressure factory cartridges and reloads, they're cheaper and just as good. Don't buy the hype in the gun rags.
Tom
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There is some debate as to if it will harm your gun. That depends on what condition that it is in to start with, how often and thuroughly you clean it, and how often you replace (or are willing to replace) things like recoil springs, etc. Look into wolf gunsprings if you plan on a steady diet of such ammo, and tune the pistol for it. This will help extend the life of it, but there can be no question that greater mechanical stress on a gun will eventually wear it out. It would appear on the surface that it will die sooner, but this all ties into spring tuning and regular maintenance. Any well tuned machine will break down if not maintained properly and in a timely manner.
As to the super man syndrome behind +p and +p+ ammo, (here's the opinion part!) it's mostly just bullet sales hype. Any well designed hollow point that feeds reliably and shoots accurately in your gun is what is best for it. Besides, it's relatively well established that hollow point bullets only show a MARKED expansion (in a perfect world) increase when accelerated above 1300fps, and even then only about 8% more diameter with only a marginal increase in penetration depth. Below that, it's all the same apples!
Use standard pressure factory cartridges and reloads, they're cheaper and just as good. Don't buy the hype in the gun rags.
Tom
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house, I've always subscribed to the idea that accuracy counts more than size. My carry gun is a Glock 19 and I feel perfectly comfortable carrying 147gr JHP's in it. Besides, being in the military and knowing a few guys in 3/75th that were in Somalia who used military ammo in their M-9's with great sucess. Yeah my HD pistol is a .45 but my daily carry gun is the G19. The moment I take my BDU's off, it goes on my belt.
Covert Mission
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Glock will tell you, if you call them, that the 9mm guns will digest even NATO and milspec SMG ammo in large quantities without a problem.
Of course, a full-time diet of +P may accelerate wear, just as redlining your car thru the gears every time will. It's not necessary all the time, but an intermittent amount isn't much to worry over. As some have suggested, a heavier recoil spring might be a good idea (it definitely is with the .40 Glocks).I have a G19 which will be my main range/IDPA gun and get the most workout, and am getting another for carry and as a backup to #1.
We can debate the % increase in effectiveness of +P 9mm all day long. I've seen results "proving" both sides. Keep in mind though, that most LE agencies issuing 9mm's feed them +P.
[This message has been edited by Covert Mission (edited February 09, 2000).]
Of course, a full-time diet of +P may accelerate wear, just as redlining your car thru the gears every time will. It's not necessary all the time, but an intermittent amount isn't much to worry over. As some have suggested, a heavier recoil spring might be a good idea (it definitely is with the .40 Glocks).I have a G19 which will be my main range/IDPA gun and get the most workout, and am getting another for carry and as a backup to #1.
We can debate the % increase in effectiveness of +P 9mm all day long. I've seen results "proving" both sides. Keep in mind though, that most LE agencies issuing 9mm's feed them +P.
[This message has been edited by Covert Mission (edited February 09, 2000).]
Robert Foote
New member
Well, I can't tell anyone whether using plus P or plus P plus 9mm is a good idea per se, but I can tell you that I have supervised an awful lot of Remington and Federal plus P plus 9mm ammo going downrange, most of it in Glock 19s. I also did spot checks and annual teardowns on these guns during the same time period. If there was any wear it was undetectable. Damage, zero. The only significant difference was a bit more recoil. It was enough to where I kept some standard velocity 9mm on hand for the more recoil shy people to use; they shot better with it. I suspect that you could run this stuff through a 19 indefinitely and never know the difference. As to other guns, it might matter eventually. I have run it through BHPs belonging to other people, sparingly. (Not mine.) I am not persuaded that it is much, if any more effective than the standard load with same bullet--which is the round of choice in my daughter's Glock 19. If I thought it really mattered we'd certainly be using the gee-whiz loads. I am not a huge fan of the 9mm but properly placed by a competent shooter it will do well enough.
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