Glock 18 accident on YouTube

....and that's why a full-auto handgun is worthless. If a full-auto handgun had any stratigic use, John Browning would have invented one and made lots of money selling them to the military long long ago.
 
It seems the only handguns that even remotely have any tactical use are those with shoulder stocks. At least you can control those.
 
Never had a problem with the real and converted G18s that I've fired, but none of them had the stupid VFG either.

I would own one if the G18 ever became legal for civilians to own.
 
I don't think most people think "FFL 02/07 SOT" when the word "citizen" is mentioned.

It is correct to say that with the proper FFL licensing a person can acquire a dealer sample G18 and keep it for the duration of time they hold the FFL. But as soon as the license lapses or is withdrawn they must transfer the gun.

Which also isn't really what most people think of when someone says the word "own".
 
If you want to say that a private citizen who is not in the military or a member of a police force or any other organization licensed to possess NFA items not transferrable to non-licensees may lawfully possess, manufacture, operate, or modify those items (depending on FFL type) for an unlimited period of time but does not "own them," then be my guest.
 
You can't posess a G18 without having a special class of FFL license requiring a significant annual fee. Not even a typical FFL holder can posess a G18 and an unlicensed citizen certainly can't.

Again, maybe that's what you think of when someone says "citizen" to you, but that's not what most people would think.

Furthermore, typical NFA items (like any other items) can be purchased and then become the property of the owner for the rest of his life. That's what most people think of as "owning" something. A G18 can't be "owned" in that sense because it can only be posessed as long as the special license is kept current. In other words, as long as the license holder pays the annual fee and manages to maintain eligibility for the special FFL license. If he stops paying the fee or loses his eligibility then he can't keep the gun.

That is a lot more like renting or leasing than it is like owning.

Owning any machinegun is very very expensive. Buying a gun for the cost of a good quality new automobile qualifies as very very expensive in most people's minds.

But legally posessing a G18 will take more than just a lot of money. Unless, of course, the BATF has started handing out the appropriate FFL license to anyone who applies and has a lot of money.
 
FFL and SOT

The FFL to deal in std. firearms is the hard part to get compared to the SOT to add NFA firearms is just a matter of paying an additional $500 or $1000/year to the FFL license fee.
 
The FFL to deal in std. firearms is the hard part to get compared to the SOT to add NFA firearms is just a matter of paying an additional $500 or $1000/year to the FFL license fee.
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It adds no additional scrutiny or eligibility issues by the BATF?
 
That would be correct in terms of any background check or issuance of license. Any FFL can add the NFA firearms to their license just by paying the tax.

There is a whole new level in paperwork in dealing with the forms and transfers of NFA firearms as each one is registered with the ATF NFA branch and approval for each firearm transfer must process through the NFA branch first.

in regards to title 1 transfer. Customer wants gun, gives FFL dealer money, dealer orders gun, it comes in from source with no paperwork to the ATF but the dealers who touched the gun all have trace paperwork on the gun, ATF has no records of that guns existence until a crime has been committed with it and they trace it from the manuf. to each dealer who had it, to the final dealer who sold it to a private party.

NFA firearms ATF has a record of each one and each time it transfers, they do not need to trace the gun cause they know where each one is and it's trace history from dealer to dealer to individual back to dealer back to individual in their database.

So if you get pulled over with a gun and a machine gun, officer friendly runs the serial numbers, the gun comes back as not reported stolen, the machine gun comes back belonging to a certain person just like your registered car comes back registered to someone, except you can loan your car to a friend not so a machinegun.
 
This video keeps turning up, LOL. I wonder whatever happened to the guy who was shot and how bad the injuries were.

....and that's why a full-auto handgun is worthless. If a full-auto handgun had any stratigic use, John Browning would have invented one and made lots of money selling them to the military long long ago.
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Strategic use or tactical use? I think you mean tactical use.

Who says JMB didn't invent one? He had numerous designs that never came to full fruition for various reasons. One thing you can be sure of, however, is that if the military has requested it, he would have designed and built one.
 
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