Glock 17 sight issue

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shdybrady

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I recently picked up a glock 17 with stock sights. I ordered some more and just waiting for them to get here. But, when I shoot I hit top left of the target pretty consistently. I saw that is usually do to bad grip form or anticipating the recoil. I have been dry firing and doing the spent casing on the gun test. Seemed to pass those two with pretty good easy. So I through in my bore laser and dry fired at the wall and the laser stayed pretty steady.

Now Immediately I blamed user error. But I didn't understand because I have never had this problem before and recoil isn't something that bothers me. I know its sub conscious I just find it odd. Then I read that a lot of people hit high with the stock sights. That got me thinking. If most people hit high should I move the sight slightly to fit my shooting style. I am going to test it out in a bit.

Has anyone had this issue before?
 
shdybrady said:
I recently picked up a glock 17 with stock sights. I ordered some more and just waiting for them to get here. But, when I shoot I hit top left of the target pretty consistently. I saw that is usually do to bad grip form or anticipating the recoil. I have been dry firing and doing the spent casing on the gun test. Seemed to pass those two with pretty good easy. So I through in my bore laser and dry fired at the wall and the laser stayed pretty steady.



Now Immediately I blamed user error. But I didn't understand because I have never had this problem before and recoil isn't something that bothers me. I know its sub conscious I just find it odd. Then I read that a lot of people hit high with the stock sights. That got me thinking. If most people hit high should I move the sight slightly to fit my shooting style. I am going to test it out in a bit.



Has anyone had this issue before?
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With the stock sights I find I have to bury the front dot. By this I mean the bottom of the front dot is slightly covered by the rear sight. If I let the front dot sit right in the middle of the rear white outline I hit high. It's one reason I don't like the stock sights. The stock sights aren't adjustable for elevation so there isn't really anything you can do there.

As far as the left issue is concerned that can be any number of issues. It's generally not very hard to push the rear sight in its dovetail so you can try that if you want. You move the rear sight in the direction you want your point of impact to go. So if you're hitting left then you want the point of impact to move right, so move the rear sight right.

I'd make one more recommendation. Most people can dry fire without flinching. Your brain knows the difference between you firing live ammunition and not firing live ammunition. My advice is to get some snap caps. These are basically dummy rounds made of plastic or aluminum that don't have a live round. The point is when you load your magazines to mix in the snap caps with the live ammunition. If possible try not to look as you load the cartridges into the magazines (just put them in a pile and feed). I say this because knowing where the snap caps are in the magazine defeats what follows. Split the snap caps up between the two magazines. Shuffle the magazines so you forget which is which, then commence shooting at a steady pace. If you're not flinching then when you get to the snap caps and get a click instead of a bang as you press the trigger then you'll find you don't disturb your sight picture. If when you get that click you see the front sight moving then you know part of the problem is you.
 
Well, I pushed the sight over a bit to the right and shot. I did try to bury the sight a bit more and i was more on top of the bullseye. My grouping still needs some work but it is much better. Im not sure if put a band aid on bad form or adjusted the gun to my shooting style. Either way, for now it is better
 
Glad you shot better. You'll love that 17 once you get it down. I'm no competition shooter, but my 17 is a great combat accuracy pistol.
 
If it was flinching shouldn't the grouping me more scattered. My grouping from 10-15 yards is somewhere around a softball. Nothing to brag about it is fairly consistent. I did have the rare flyer today but I was playing with eye dominance.

I shoot bows competitively and fought form issues in the beginning. When I was punching the trigger or didn't have my hand placement just right, there wasn't much of a pattern in shot placement. With the G17 there is a definitive pattern of the shot placement. Again, I figured if it was an "anticipation issue" I would be all over the place.

I will try the snap cap idea. Just have to get some ordered and delivered.
 
Again, I figured if it was an "anticipation issue" I would be all over the place.
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It's not always. A flinch can be surprisingly consistent. You can still have a good grouping, just off center. One idea would be to post a pic showing how much you had to drift the sight. A little drift one way or the other isn't a big problem. I'm a cross eye dominant shooter and with Glocks and the way they fit my hand I find I have to drift the rear sight about 1/16".

And don't let the crabby patty above get you down. Pistol shooting is annoyingly unforgiving at times and there is a lot of control involved to do it well. These forums are a resource to help you.
 
Believe me no offense taken from anybody. People who cant accept criticism are weak. I will get a picture up soon but I had to drift he sight between a 1/16"- 1/8"
 
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That's a pretty strong drift. When you've got one edge of the sight all the way against the edge of a slide that's typically an indication of technique. Keep working on your technique and evaluate over time is all you can do.
 
I believe i could bring it back just a hair because I was hovering to the right some. But thats my plan to keep on shooting. I have found alot of info how to diagnose flinching but none how to fix it.
 
Fixing isn't easy. Honestly it takes rounds downrange and learning to resist that impulse. A decent pistol course with a good instructor will help too.
 
I have two recommendations, first is to have a friend load your magazines with several live rounds and dummy or cap rounds randomly without you knowing how they are loaded, that way you get to learn how not to anticipate recoil.

Secondly, repeat first recommendation but use a 22lr pistol. It may take several thousand rounds of shooting to overcome this dilemma, and this could be more economical.
 
You can find this target and more like it all over the net. Give it a look-see, it might indicate the issue...

BTW, if you are flinching or anticipating recoil it won't show up if you KNOW the gun is empty. You'd have to have a friend load/unload the gun and you shoot without knowing if it's going to say BANG! or Click!

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