Glaser safety slugs?
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Glaser safety slugs are designed to not over penetrate.
they make a nasty looking hole.
Pics ---> http://diamondrn.hubpages.com/hub/Glaser_Safety_bullet
link to PD ammo article ---> http://www.ballistics101.com/personal_defense.php
they make a nasty looking hole.
Pics ---> http://diamondrn.hubpages.com/hub/Glaser_Safety_bullet
link to PD ammo article ---> http://www.ballistics101.com/personal_defense.php
Ouch..... See the reason i asked was i got into makin 12 gauge wax slugs which have the same properties essentially. They're pretty nasty and Glaser apparently is too. i Believe this will be my new carry round. But are there any real draw backs. Im not concerned with penetration it seems to do the job but are there other drawbacks?
2damnold4this
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If you aren't concerned with penetration, the only drawback would be price. I personally want something that does well on the FBI's tests for my carry round.
Rampant_Colt
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Don't trust your life with that rubbish
There are more drawbacks than just their price. Glaser SS cost 5x what regular premium JHP ammunition costs. It'd cost you at minimum $200 worth of Glasers to see if they properly cycle your handgun. Glaser Safety Slugs are overpriced, overhyped, underperforming rubbish. They may or may not even cycle your handgun, don't shoot to the same POI as conventional ammo, and they don't have adequate penetration in most scenarios except for full frontal shots. And we all know a bad guy isn't going to stand still and give you a clear shot. Glasers are NOT recommended in any caliber for defensive purposes...
Avoid using:
Glaser
RBCD
Extreme Shock
Magsafe
Read more about exotic "specialty" ammo HERE
The above loads are all rubbish. Stick with premium JHP ammo from reputable companies like R-P, W-W, Hornady, Speer and Federal.
PS▬wax slugs are another DANGEROUS idea that will blow your shotgun up or bulge your barrel
There are more drawbacks than just their price. Glaser SS cost 5x what regular premium JHP ammunition costs. It'd cost you at minimum $200 worth of Glasers to see if they properly cycle your handgun. Glaser Safety Slugs are overpriced, overhyped, underperforming rubbish. They may or may not even cycle your handgun, don't shoot to the same POI as conventional ammo, and they don't have adequate penetration in most scenarios except for full frontal shots. And we all know a bad guy isn't going to stand still and give you a clear shot. Glasers are NOT recommended in any caliber for defensive purposes...
Avoid using:
Glaser
RBCD
Extreme Shock
Magsafe
Read more about exotic "specialty" ammo HERE
The above loads are all rubbish. Stick with premium JHP ammo from reputable companies like R-P, W-W, Hornady, Speer and Federal.
PS▬wax slugs are another DANGEROUS idea that will blow your shotgun up or bulge your barrel
Archer 9505
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Yes, Under penetration
Yes, they don't penetrate deep enough to consistently disrupt the vital organs.
I am sure that I will spin up some backlash from Glaser fans, but in my opinion they are just a gimmick.
There is a good recent thread in which Paul Gomez is featured talking about SD ammo. Good info there, check it out.
This link has some good reading. http://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi-hwfe.pdf
My recommendation, buy purpose built (Conventional) SD ammo designed to meet the FBI protocol. Winchester PDX, Ranger, Ranger T, Hornady Critical Duty leave the gimmicks and tricks for the uniformed.
Yes, they don't penetrate deep enough to consistently disrupt the vital organs.
I am sure that I will spin up some backlash from Glaser fans, but in my opinion they are just a gimmick.
There is a good recent thread in which Paul Gomez is featured talking about SD ammo. Good info there, check it out.
This link has some good reading. http://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi-hwfe.pdf
My recommendation, buy purpose built (Conventional) SD ammo designed to meet the FBI protocol. Winchester PDX, Ranger, Ranger T, Hornady Critical Duty leave the gimmicks and tricks for the uniformed.
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thanks for the articles and feedback. im def reading up on the pdf link.
and as for wax slugs. i do not cut my spacer on the shot cup making higher velocity/more chamber pressure. and i use a break action h&r pardoner and compared to pumps the chamber wall seems alot thicker in comparison. that and ive shot 30 or 40 with no problems. But mine is a no choke.
and as for wax slugs. i do not cut my spacer on the shot cup making higher velocity/more chamber pressure. and i use a break action h&r pardoner and compared to pumps the chamber wall seems alot thicker in comparison. that and ive shot 30 or 40 with no problems. But mine is a no choke.
Bartholomew Roberts
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One more link for reading (some graphic content):
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336409&highlight=glaser
Glaser Blue is #12 shot inside the jacket. Glaser Silver is #6 shot. If you'll pop over to the Shotgun forum, you'll find that there is considerable debate over whether #6 shot out of a 12 gauge is a good idea for home defense, so I am not sure why there is even a question when it comes to #6 shot out of a pistol bore.
For comparison, #9 shot in a cloth bag is what is used for some less-lethal 12ga bean bag rounds that are not intended to break the skin.
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336409&highlight=glaser
Glaser Blue is #12 shot inside the jacket. Glaser Silver is #6 shot. If you'll pop over to the Shotgun forum, you'll find that there is considerable debate over whether #6 shot out of a 12 gauge is a good idea for home defense, so I am not sure why there is even a question when it comes to #6 shot out of a pistol bore.
For comparison, #9 shot in a cloth bag is what is used for some less-lethal 12ga bean bag rounds that are not intended to break the skin.
Consider this: You can punch a hole in wall board with your fist. If a fired round won't penetrate wall board, as Glazers advertise, how much damage can it really do to a BG? I'm not saying the Glazers won't do any damage at all, but in the hunt for mythical "stopping power" a round that so minimizes penetration is not a realistic contender.
The real reason im researching this round is not under or over penetration. Physics show that on impact the round its self opens up and lets tiny BB's go through the bg, Kinda like a frag round going off when it hits the skin and penetrates forward. this was to see from anyones personal experience if they do just that. If they do then i may pick them up. If not then they arent worth my time. Thanks for the info so far everyone 
Archer 9505
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They are crap. Stick with name brand ammo that has been designed to pass the FBI protocol. That's just my opinion.
Penetration is the issue. In order to physically stop the human machine you must damage vital organs. To damage vital organs, your ammo must reliably penetrate deep enough to reach them. The threat may not be standing facing you like a B27 silhouette target. The threat may be bladed side ways, have hands and arms out in front as holding a weapon, may be wearing multiple layers of clothing, may be partially concealed by some sort of cover (furniture, etc).
Glasers are a gimmick that I would not trust my life on.
Dose any Law enforcement agency or tactical team, FBI special response team, any credible tactical unit issue Glaser's? I wonder why or why not.
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a bb fired from a red ryder bb gun has more velocity, energy, penetration, and lethality then each individual pellet released upon impact by a glaser slug.
the issue is that glasers can make a nice entrance hole, and surface wound, but look at the gelatin testing done. even in bare gelatin thereis a consistent lack of wound channel past the first 2 inches.
so in theory, if your opononent is emaciated and only 4 inches thick, then you could reach vital organs. but if your opononent has been living on pork chops and the golden arches of grease for 20 years and hase 7 inches of spare tire on the outside, dont expect much.
the issue is that glasers can make a nice entrance hole, and surface wound, but look at the gelatin testing done. even in bare gelatin thereis a consistent lack of wound channel past the first 2 inches.
so in theory, if your opononent is emaciated and only 4 inches thick, then you could reach vital organs. but if your opononent has been living on pork chops and the golden arches of grease for 20 years and hase 7 inches of spare tire on the outside, dont expect much.
dogtown tom
New member
This +1
If Glaser, Magsafe or Extreme Shock rounds were effective they would be in use by at least one law enforsement agency......they aren't.
They are a gimmick sold to mall ninjas.