Gladiator--You must see this film.

Don Gwinn

Staff Emeritus
Saw this one today--it's a MUST SEE. I will purchase it when it comes out.

Be warned, it is NOT for the squeamish. The battles and the arena go beyond
Braveheart--they reminded me of Saving Private Ryan, particularly the battle
against the German barbarians in the beginning.

Here's the basic idea:

In 180 A.D., the emperor Marcus Aurelius is a dying old man. He has conquered all
kinds of territory in his 20 years, but is now wondering what it was worth when
Rome has become a horrible dictatorship and the Senate is nearly powerless. His
daughter, Lucilla, is brilliant but somewhat corruptible and could not bbea Caesar
anyway because she's a woman. His son, Commodus, is impatient, ambitious, has
no sense of justice and hates the father, though he loves his sister. Aurelius brings
everyone together at the front for the final battle in Germania, which leads
Commodus to believe he's about to be crowned successor.

But Aurelius wants his brilliant general, Maximus, to save the Republic. He wants to
give Maximus the power of the Caesar so that Maximus can restore the republic.
Maximus just wants to go home, and he knows what's likely to happen to the man
who tries to restore the Senate. He doesn't want to do that, but he can't swear
allegiance to Commodus even though they were friends as children.

When the old man dies, things get REALLY crazy. The action is disturbing, but also
awe-inspiring. Russell Crowe is brilliant as Maximus, and whoever the old man who
plays Proximo is, he's great too. Just a brilliant film, but like I said, if the graphic
violence bothers you, this is not for you. I predict there will be the type of surge
of public interest in the Gladiators and all things Roman that SPR caused for WWII
vets. Gave me the same reaction as SPR--I'm glad I didn't live then.

The only bad points are the long inspection of Commodus at the beginning, with
him examining his relationship with his father, and some of the melodrama near the
end. Easily excused and seriously, the only weaknesses of the film. Well, that and
the way they sometimes keep the background music louder than the quiet dialogue
so you can't hear what the Hell they're saying!

Cool line of the film:
"Stay close, and keep the line dressed, until we are upon them. And if you should
find yourself suddenly riding alone, under a warm sun surrounded by green grass,
do not be alarmed, for you are in Elysium.....and you're already dead!
What we do in life, echoes in eternity."
Spoken to the Roman cavalry before the battle in Germania.

Oh, and there's a very interesting debate going on the whole time--give power back to the Senate to re-create the Republic, which is the "dream that Rome was?"
Some characters want to, but then "the people" are the howling mob watching 64 straight days of gladiatorial combat and accepting the tyranny of Commodus because of it. Interesting, no?
 
PS--of course this is very incomplete, I only gave the plot up to about 15-20 minutes into the movie. There's a reason. I want you to see it for the first time as part of the movie. I think you'll love this one.
 
I thought it was a little too much "I, Claudius", and not quite enough "Ben Hur", I enjoyed it though. I'll give it an 8.

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Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the dogs of war.
 
I was very disappointed, I thought it built up for two and a half hours to what SHOULD have been a huge, dramatic conclusion...and then it just fizzled to nothing. The ending was a huge letdown, something out of a 70s B movie.
 
I am in the middle of reading Marcus Aurelius' "Meditations," which were written during his Germnic campaigns.

I loved the film, even though it was a bit slow at times. I can only hope that the old time values of duty, honor, and service see a resurgence in the American public.
 
The old man who played Proximo is the late Oliver Reed, a brawling Brit actor whose thuggish presence made more than a few lousy films bearable. Heard he died in a bar during the making of Gladiator.
Jeff
 
I just saw it last night and I thought it was excellent. I don't usually buy movies on video, but I'll make an exception for this one. Made me want to reread Marcus Aurelius' Meditations (haven't read it since college).
 
Well, ya'll get me sold on seeing the film after final exams. You've also got me feeling like its time to read the 'Meditations' and Epictitus' 'Enchiridion'. Hmmm, as long as the credit card is out may as well get a copy of the Hagekuru too. Geez, now look at what you've done, got me spending money on BOOKS and not BULLETS?! ;)

Just kidding. This is a great board with great people. Lucky to have found it.
 
Rikwriter, I almost mentioned the ending among the weaknesses but it was getting long and I didn't think it was all that bad--but I do agree that the ending could have been much, much better.

Just compare the ending to the first 10 minutes if you don't see what we mean.

I also thought it was strange that after they spent so much effort at showing the debate about the uncertain future of Rome, then the ending was perfectly happy for everyone who survived. Huh?
But I still loved it. :D
And I'll still buy it as soon as I can. I would call it the equal of <i>Spartacus,</i> but it could have surpassed it by far with a better ending.

And I too now have to read <i>Meditations.</i> Thanks a lot. :rolleyes:
 
Saw it too. Liked it alot. Good plot but do agree that it did get slow at times.

Lots of parralels could be drawn in relation to where our society is going. And there is the homo-erotic appeal of a good gladiator flick...

JUST KIDDING!!!

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Dan

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Well, I was interested in seeing this, and I'm even more motivated now. Perhaps today ...

And, Jeff, I was curious about Oliver Reed, and you're right:

Per http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/9237/bio.html

"Regardless of his roles, Reed received publicity about his off-screen antics. Reports of his arrests were interspersed with gossip of partying with pals Lee Marvin and Keith Moon and combatting with costars Bette Davis, Jack Nicholson, and Stuart Whitman. Public feuds with Richard Harris and Shelley Winters were also ongoing. In short, Reed became as well-known for madcap drinking and barroom brawls as his fictional screen image personified. These habits invariably led to his demise, as he died shortly after drinking with friends in Malta, where he was shooting The Gladiators in May of 1999. --J.R. Via"

Regards from AZ
 
posted May 09, 2000 01:46 PM         
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ahem...

Reed is one of the martyrs of the 5th (of) Estate.. not only was he a man known for his appetites.. he was a hell of a carouser. Reed reportedly left a $400 bar tab and demised betwixt the legs of a professional call girl. What a way to go.

A few friends and I hoisted a brandy in his memory last year. The man was brilliant.

Dr.Rob
 
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