Getting tactical with a lever action
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Trigger Finger
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I think it would be very possible to use a lever action rifle. If practiced with and the right caliber and loads! It would go well with a single action revolver.
Of course I would much rather use my AR and Glock!
Of course I would much rather use my AR and Glock!
On guns like the Marlin 1894 it is very easy to mount a red dot sight. A flashlight could be easily mounted to the barrel. Tactical reloads would be a little tricky, but for a HD gun, ifyou can't solve the problem with 10 rounds, your shooting wither sucks or you are way over your head.
Broadsword
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Do a google search. I think the topic has been touched on quite a bit. I remember an article years ago. I thinkit was in SOF about a guy who set up a lever and used it in some tactical matches. If I'm not mistaken he did pretty darn good against the AR crowd. I think warriortalk.com has a lever gun forum. You might find some info there.
Broadsword
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What do you mean by "tactical work?" House clearing? Door-to-door urban combat?
Lever guns point well, they're available in potent calibers, they're quick handling, they're accurate enough, they can be fired rapidly. I guess they can't be reloaded quickly, and they're not as quick as an AR.
Lever guns point well, they're available in potent calibers, they're quick handling, they're accurate enough, they can be fired rapidly. I guess they can't be reloaded quickly, and they're not as quick as an AR.
Not exactly clear what "tactical" means in this context, but if it has to do with self / home / family defense, I think a lever gun can be quite useful.
I shoot an AR-15 in the matches and I have a Marlin 1894 .357 carbine for fun (and Cowboy action, which I kind of dropped out of). If we are talking aimed fire, the lever gun is no slower than the AR since you can easily work the action during recoil. The only drawback is it is much slower to load a tubular magazine than to exchange a full box magazine for an empty one. If you are going to be in a protracted battle, the lever action is at a disadvantage because it is slow to reload (but depending on the situation it is amenable to shoot one, load one - so you never run it dry).
I do not know if a lever action rifle in an actual rifle caliber (e.g. a 30-30) would come down out of recoil as fast as the little .357 does, so it might not be as fast on followup shots.
Many people dislike pistol-caliber carbines on the grounds that if you are going to use a long gun, it might as well be a shotgun or actual rifle firing a rifle cartridge. This is a sound argument but the loophole is that the longer barrel of the pistol-caliber carbine increases muzzle-velocity over typical pistol velocity, the carbine is easier to hit with than the pistol, the range is reduced (might be relevant if you live near other people) and it is friendly for a recoil-sensitive person.
I hope this is useful to you. Lever guns are fun!
Regards,
Andrew
I shoot an AR-15 in the matches and I have a Marlin 1894 .357 carbine for fun (and Cowboy action, which I kind of dropped out of). If we are talking aimed fire, the lever gun is no slower than the AR since you can easily work the action during recoil. The only drawback is it is much slower to load a tubular magazine than to exchange a full box magazine for an empty one. If you are going to be in a protracted battle, the lever action is at a disadvantage because it is slow to reload (but depending on the situation it is amenable to shoot one, load one - so you never run it dry).
I do not know if a lever action rifle in an actual rifle caliber (e.g. a 30-30) would come down out of recoil as fast as the little .357 does, so it might not be as fast on followup shots.
Many people dislike pistol-caliber carbines on the grounds that if you are going to use a long gun, it might as well be a shotgun or actual rifle firing a rifle cartridge. This is a sound argument but the loophole is that the longer barrel of the pistol-caliber carbine increases muzzle-velocity over typical pistol velocity, the carbine is easier to hit with than the pistol, the range is reduced (might be relevant if you live near other people) and it is friendly for a recoil-sensitive person.
I hope this is useful to you. Lever guns are fun!
Regards,
Andrew
Deaf Smith
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In Afganistan they used old Enfield .303s, Manlinchers, Carcainos, Mausers, etc.. against the Russinas.
While not the best weapon for the job, a good levergun, if used by a crack shot, can most definatly substitute.
While not the best weapon for the job, a good levergun, if used by a crack shot, can most definatly substitute.
DarkMinds650
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Anything can be used as a tactical weapon...Depends on the situation, your planning, and ability to adapt to the unforseen..
Chris
Chris
Scott Free
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If you ever needed to legally defend the shooting in court, a lever action is going to look a lot better to a jury, than a "scary black rifle." Ain't say it's right. Just say'n that's the way it is.
I'd go for a short-barreled '92 Winchester type (like a Rossi), in .357. I think the '92 action is smoother than the '94 action, which was designed for rifle-length cartridges. I've never fired a Marlin.
I have a '94 Winchester Trapper in .357. It's sweet. I've considered a red-dot or other optic, but the iron sights are quick and accurate. I might add a tac-light.
It was with good reason that the Winchester was the most popular rifle in the US for the better part of a century.
For home defense, civilian or even law enforcement applications, a lever carbine would be adequate for nearly any situation.
Advantages: Nine or ten rounds, in .357, .44 or .45, out of a long barrel. Light, handy, quick sights. Cheap, readily available (and replaceable). Will be legal for as long as firearms are legal. Less legal restrictions. Requires little maintenance or technical knowledge.
Disadvantages: Slow to reload. Difficult stoppages may occur from short-stroking or operating action inverted, etc. Difficult to use from prone or unusual firing positions.
I have a '94 Winchester Trapper in .357. It's sweet. I've considered a red-dot or other optic, but the iron sights are quick and accurate. I might add a tac-light.
It was with good reason that the Winchester was the most popular rifle in the US for the better part of a century.
For home defense, civilian or even law enforcement applications, a lever carbine would be adequate for nearly any situation.
Advantages: Nine or ten rounds, in .357, .44 or .45, out of a long barrel. Light, handy, quick sights. Cheap, readily available (and replaceable). Will be legal for as long as firearms are legal. Less legal restrictions. Requires little maintenance or technical knowledge.
Disadvantages: Slow to reload. Difficult stoppages may occur from short-stroking or operating action inverted, etc. Difficult to use from prone or unusual firing positions.
BuckHammer
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I can't help but realize how horrifyingly cheesy a lever gun with tactical equipment would be. In my opinion, a lever gun is at its best plain with irons or maybe a scope. That's it. I guess you can use it in tactical scenarios with that equipment. But if you're gonna start piling crap on it, then maybe you should go with something a little more compatible with that equipment. Maybe that's just me in that I believe that, for the most part, accessories should match the weapon. Red dot on a lever gun? Come on... 
This is my carry rifle for working/hunting where the big bears live.
Marlin 1895GS 45-70. Wild West Guns trigger, ejector, metal follower, ghost ring sights, flashlight mount with an M3 light, Pachmayer decellerator recoil pad, The flashlight is for those bear in camp at 3 AM situaions.
The nice thing about a 45-70 is that the BG needs really good quality cover.
Marlin 1895GS 45-70. Wild West Guns trigger, ejector, metal follower, ghost ring sights, flashlight mount with an M3 light, Pachmayer decellerator recoil pad, The flashlight is for those bear in camp at 3 AM situaions.
The nice thing about a 45-70 is that the BG needs really good quality cover.
David Armstrong
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Jeff Cooper advocated the lever action as a viable alternative for a long time, and IIRC the old Gunsite smithy used to offer a lever gun tactical conversion.
Mannlicher
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while a lever gun is certainly not the most effective 'tactical' rifle, you would not be undergunned if so armed.
xsquidgator
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Mad Ogre has (had?) this cool looking tactical Marlin in 30-30, I wish it were mine. Someday I'll have to pick up a nice short 30-30. Probably won't put a red dot on it but it's nice to know you could. I heard someone once call leverguns "Appalachian Assault Rifles" and this is just one example of something very capable you could do with one.
My wife's .44mag Rossi 92 with 20" bbl was a CAS tool in a former life shooting .44spl or .44russian. As such, its action has been work-smoothed to a fare-the-well, but is in no way worn or battered.
We have had need of a HD long gun and it was the most optimal for the purpose. Loaded with mild .44mag loads (240LSWC, Trail Boss) my wife has no problem sending an entire magazine into COM of a silhouette.
I think attaching a light to the mag tue would be a very practical mod.
We have had need of a HD long gun and it was the most optimal for the purpose. Loaded with mild .44mag loads (240LSWC, Trail Boss) my wife has no problem sending an entire magazine into COM of a silhouette.
I think attaching a light to the mag tue would be a very practical mod.
Wasn't it Jeff Cooper who called a pistol-caliber levergun a "Long Island Assault Rifle"?
Referring to the fact that NYC has an "assault weapons" ban, but leverguns are legal.
A pistol caliber levergun gives you the basics of an "assault rifle"--intermediate cartridge, high rate of fire, and good capacity magazine.
When you move up to a full-power rifle round, the only thing you lose is some mag capacity--and you gain lots of range.
So, yeah, IMHO they're plenty tactical.
Referring to the fact that NYC has an "assault weapons" ban, but leverguns are legal.
A pistol caliber levergun gives you the basics of an "assault rifle"--intermediate cartridge, high rate of fire, and good capacity magazine.
When you move up to a full-power rifle round, the only thing you lose is some mag capacity--and you gain lots of range.
So, yeah, IMHO they're plenty tactical.