Getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan
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Boss Spearman
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Japan has democracy, yet they are still not allowed to build their own military.
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This is my first "thread start" and I thought I would place it to reach the people that might be most interested...
Turns out I'm not supposed to place the same thread twice...
Whoops, sorry...
I wouldn't mind if you all sent a similar message...
I also wouldn't mind a friendly comment or two...
Turns out I'm not supposed to place the same thread twice...
Whoops, sorry...
I wouldn't mind if you all sent a similar message...
I also wouldn't mind a friendly comment or two...
Yes, the differences are the same as they would be between the Germans and the Japanese.
As far as the general populations are concerned, I would have great difficulty trying to accept that they don't want to live in a free society.
Your question may be a little too general... but that's my read...
As far as the general populations are concerned, I would have great difficulty trying to accept that they don't want to live in a free society.
Your question may be a little too general... but that's my read...
Got to speak to some of the Iraqis while over there. I won't tell you the job they do because they are few in number who do the work and the terrorist could figure out who they are and kill them.
Points of interest that I think you will enjoy. I was told this by an Iraqi so you figure what it is worth to you.
The land is rich between the Tigress and the Eupretes river so I asked about the land. "We own the land and there is not a deed written in all the country, nothing on paper." When we buy or sell we just tell the neighbors and your word (to another muslim) is your bond.
I asked about family. He said "this country is not like America, we respect the old and look to them for wisdom." We don't shove our old people out like you do.
On wealth. "We don't live or lives to buy things like you people, we get along loving life for the moment and not for what we can have.
On Sadam--"He had no father,no one to teach him what is right. Family is big over here and Sadam turned out bad because he was raised by a woman.
MMMMM I wonder if this is about to be locked down LOL LOL
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Points of interest that I think you will enjoy. I was told this by an Iraqi so you figure what it is worth to you.
The land is rich between the Tigress and the Eupretes river so I asked about the land. "We own the land and there is not a deed written in all the country, nothing on paper." When we buy or sell we just tell the neighbors and your word (to another muslim) is your bond.
I asked about family. He said "this country is not like America, we respect the old and look to them for wisdom." We don't shove our old people out like you do.
On wealth. "We don't live or lives to buy things like you people, we get along loving life for the moment and not for what we can have.
On Sadam--"He had no father,no one to teach him what is right. Family is big over here and Sadam turned out bad because he was raised by a woman.
MMMMM I wonder if this is about to be locked down LOL LOL
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What I should have added to the last post was Cafferty hasn't been there to learn about these people and neither has most of our elected officials. I have eat with them and worked with them. Had tea with them, and been shot at by them.
When our officials and the media have to get down in the dirt with joe average in Iraq then maybe the question about getting out can be truthfully answered.
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When our officials and the media have to get down in the dirt with joe average in Iraq then maybe the question about getting out can be truthfully answered.
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Boss Spearman
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This from http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2005-01/2005-01-13-voa36.cfm?CFID=969158&CFTOKEN=80831274
'After fighting and defeating Japan in World War Two, the United States occupied the country and imposed a constitution forbidding it ever to go to war again. Article nine of Japan's constitution states "the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes."
They did not willingly choose not to have a military. We forced it on them.
'After fighting and defeating Japan in World War Two, the United States occupied the country and imposed a constitution forbidding it ever to go to war again. Article nine of Japan's constitution states "the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes."
They did not willingly choose not to have a military. We forced it on them.
Boss
I am inclined to partially discount Azizis report...
All my life I have heard that the Japanese people REVERE Gen. MacArthur...
And that he imposed the requirement for a Constitution on the Civilian Leaders of Japan...
One of the requirements being equality of all Japanese citizen's... thus greatly weakening the hold the Samurai/Royalist/Military had over the nation.
The Japanese leaders formed the Constitution according to the requirements "imposed" by MacArthur... But they were reluctant to ratify the finished product because they felt something very important was missing.
They sent an emissary to MacArthur and requested that they be allowed to insert a proviso that Japan would not have a national military ever again. MacArthur agreed and they then ratified the new Constitution.
Never before in their history had the people of Japan been treated with respect by a conquering force. Freedom was something totally alien to their Samurai/Warlord and fuedal-serf system. It was simply your "kharma" to be born into a given class.
The Japanese could eliminate the "no military" ANYTIME they choose if they choose, but they do not choose because they don't see the need for it.
Azizi has apparently distorted the true spirit of what took place by using such inflamatory phrases as "imposed a constitution".
Most of this is supportable by documentation such as diaries/journals etc. even if history gets rewritten to suit a new agenda...
I am inclined to partially discount Azizis report...
All my life I have heard that the Japanese people REVERE Gen. MacArthur...
And that he imposed the requirement for a Constitution on the Civilian Leaders of Japan...
One of the requirements being equality of all Japanese citizen's... thus greatly weakening the hold the Samurai/Royalist/Military had over the nation.
The Japanese leaders formed the Constitution according to the requirements "imposed" by MacArthur... But they were reluctant to ratify the finished product because they felt something very important was missing.
They sent an emissary to MacArthur and requested that they be allowed to insert a proviso that Japan would not have a national military ever again. MacArthur agreed and they then ratified the new Constitution.
Never before in their history had the people of Japan been treated with respect by a conquering force. Freedom was something totally alien to their Samurai/Warlord and fuedal-serf system. It was simply your "kharma" to be born into a given class.
The Japanese could eliminate the "no military" ANYTIME they choose if they choose, but they do not choose because they don't see the need for it.
Azizi has apparently distorted the true spirit of what took place by using such inflamatory phrases as "imposed a constitution".
Most of this is supportable by documentation such as diaries/journals etc. even if history gets rewritten to suit a new agenda...
Boss Spearman
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Well, this is the first time in my life I've heard anything other than the US imposed it upon Japan.
Maybe so, but that was then and this is now.
Here are several articles about the current movement to amend Japan's constitution regarding the military: by a Japanese journalist; from Japan Today; and from the Asia Times.
You might also note that two of the articles refer to the adoption of Japan's constitution:
Yes, I do remember that the Japanese civilian leaders were at an impasse when it came to removing the Emperor/God from supremacy...
It was expedient and probably necessary for the "outside" influence of Gen. MacArthur and staff to "impose" that particular "demotion".
I just disagree with the "slant" which is "imposed" on the whole subject. The kindness and mercy of the "conquering" nations was unprecedented and greatly admired by the people of Japan.
Therefore, it should be far from us to second guess the leadership 50+ years after the fact.
It was expedient and probably necessary for the "outside" influence of Gen. MacArthur and staff to "impose" that particular "demotion".
I just disagree with the "slant" which is "imposed" on the whole subject. The kindness and mercy of the "conquering" nations was unprecedented and greatly admired by the people of Japan.
Therefore, it should be far from us to second guess the leadership 50+ years after the fact.
There was a piece in the Birmingham News today concerning Japans current action to activate a new military strategy, and why not?
Dammit man they are helping China finace the gwbs administrations financial deficiet now and we might need them to help save our butts, this time.
Dammit man they are helping China finace the gwbs administrations financial deficiet now and we might need them to help save our butts, this time.