German made Walther TPH .22
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Jody Hudson
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Why quibble. If you want it, I suggest you purchase it.
There are very few of these in America and what few are here are seldom sold. NIB is very unusual. Most likely this was brought in via diplomatic pouch by a collector or Law Enforcement Officer riding military transport. They have not been importable because of our laws.
I have not seen one NIB for 25 years in this country. I have only seen three German ones for sale in that time and they were in the $600 to $800 range. I did not buy any of them as I'm not a collector. I am an avid user of the TPH and have several American ones for myself and sons.
From my experience it will not likely appreciate any more in price and will not likely depreciate from use more than $100 or so. I am no expert but it is my favorite small .22 and so, since 1976 when I first heard of them I have kept my eye out and paid attention.
In summation... Just buy it if you want it, and don't quibble over a couple of dollars on something you may not see for sale again for a decade or two or three.
There are very few of these in America and what few are here are seldom sold. NIB is very unusual. Most likely this was brought in via diplomatic pouch by a collector or Law Enforcement Officer riding military transport. They have not been importable because of our laws.
I have not seen one NIB for 25 years in this country. I have only seen three German ones for sale in that time and they were in the $600 to $800 range. I did not buy any of them as I'm not a collector. I am an avid user of the TPH and have several American ones for myself and sons.
From my experience it will not likely appreciate any more in price and will not likely depreciate from use more than $100 or so. I am no expert but it is my favorite small .22 and so, since 1976 when I first heard of them I have kept my eye out and paid attention.
In summation... Just buy it if you want it, and don't quibble over a couple of dollars on something you may not see for sale again for a decade or two or three.
Jody,
I made a slight ommission in my post. The TPH is in like new condition. However, I do not think that would change your response and it is appreciated. The main reason that I am looking at German models is all the quality control problems I have heard about with the American models. The TPH is a lovely little pistol. Like owning a Swiss watch!
Wes
I made a slight ommission in my post. The TPH is in like new condition. However, I do not think that would change your response and it is appreciated. The main reason that I am looking at German models is all the quality control problems I have heard about with the American models. The TPH is a lovely little pistol. Like owning a Swiss watch!
Wes
Jody Hudson
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The QC problems in American TPHs are based on almost non-existent QC. However, I've had several German PPs, PPKs, and a PP Super and all of them were far less than perfect. In fact the entire design of the PP series is flawed in that the magazine is set way too far below the line of the chamber and thus the cartridge must somehow (and sometimes it does make it) jump up from the magazine into the chamber.
There have been some threads that speak of similar QC problems with German TPHs as well. I would still say... buy it if you want it. I have heard that the steel is better quality and better tempered in the German TPH. A friend of mine has a pair of German TPHs, one in .22 and one in .25 and he compared them to my American TPH .22s. He is a master machinist and he said he could not find any differences. I don't know however the criteria that he used, etc.
I cherish my TPHs, all of them, and they have all been worked on several times to get them the way they should have been originally. Now they are all fabulous! They should have been from the start. I love Walthers and have since I was about 8 and got my first PPK .32. It DID work well by the way with .32 Military Surplus hardball rounds. I had no problems with it at all. Wish I still had it as it was also accurate a trait that no other PP series gun I've owned since (probably 200) had. I've had some that were not as inaccurate as others but none like my first one, which I successfully hunted squirrels with for years.
All of our TPHs are quite accurate with Quik-Shoks by the way.
There have been some threads that speak of similar QC problems with German TPHs as well. I would still say... buy it if you want it. I have heard that the steel is better quality and better tempered in the German TPH. A friend of mine has a pair of German TPHs, one in .22 and one in .25 and he compared them to my American TPH .22s. He is a master machinist and he said he could not find any differences. I don't know however the criteria that he used, etc.
I cherish my TPHs, all of them, and they have all been worked on several times to get them the way they should have been originally. Now they are all fabulous! They should have been from the start. I love Walthers and have since I was about 8 and got my first PPK .32. It DID work well by the way with .32 Military Surplus hardball rounds. I had no problems with it at all. Wish I still had it as it was also accurate a trait that no other PP series gun I've owned since (probably 200) had. I've had some that were not as inaccurate as others but none like my first one, which I successfully hunted squirrels with for years.
All of our TPHs are quite accurate with Quik-Shoks by the way.
Jody,
If I could bend your ear just alittle further: I've search the forums and found a common problem with the American TPH's and that is parts availability. Which is another thing that concerned me about them. Is there a reliable parts supplier for these pistols? I occasionally come across a American TPH(just last month), but I want to know I can fix it if it breaks. One more thing, are these pistols accurate enough for use as a woods gun and not just pocket carry self defense? Thanks for your comments!
Wes
If I could bend your ear just alittle further: I've search the forums and found a common problem with the American TPH's and that is parts availability. Which is another thing that concerned me about them. Is there a reliable parts supplier for these pistols? I occasionally come across a American TPH(just last month), but I want to know I can fix it if it breaks. One more thing, are these pistols accurate enough for use as a woods gun and not just pocket carry self defense? Thanks for your comments!
Wes
Jody Hudson
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Walther TPH repairs!
Roger Perry; Gunsmith repair and refinishing took care of my last problem with my TPH and he did find a part, the magazine release that I was unable to find anywhere. I was unable to find anyone else who does TPHs.
He is meticulous in everything he does. I highly recommend him.
Roger Perry
Work: 302-856-9809
RD3 Box 160-4a
Georgetown, DE 19947
As far as accuracy; my son and I find them remarkable. We shoot ultra-long-distance with them against each other and all I can say is that the accuracy is unbelievable.
We both prefer Quik-Shok .22 ammo for them by far. However, there is other ammo that can do well. As a rule the most powerful ammo you can get is the best with the TPH as it likes a ultra-high-velocity round. We plan to test some of the low velocity super heavy stuff but we have not so far. We've found the Quik-Shoks to be the most accurate, most reliable and most powerful by far, in our four TPHs.
The more you shoot them the better they get and the better YOU get as well.
I will tell you this. I went hunting ground hogs with mine and my brother had a rifle. I got ground hogs and he didn't. It was MOSTLY luck. My longest shot was about 80 yards.
Another time when my kids were in the car, I hit a ground hog in the head from about 90 yards, from the car, while I was in our yard at the farm. That WAS mostly luck as well. Those where with Stingers before we found out about Quik-Shok. We don't use Stingers since we found Quik-Shok.
Practice enough and you can go squirrel hunting with one. Practice, practice, practice. My son's gun, which I put perhaps 40,000 round through before I gave it to him 10 years ago or more, is the most accurate and has the best trigger. He's probably put another 50,000 rounds through it.
Roger Perry; Gunsmith repair and refinishing took care of my last problem with my TPH and he did find a part, the magazine release that I was unable to find anywhere. I was unable to find anyone else who does TPHs.
He is meticulous in everything he does. I highly recommend him.
Roger Perry
Work: 302-856-9809
RD3 Box 160-4a
Georgetown, DE 19947
As far as accuracy; my son and I find them remarkable. We shoot ultra-long-distance with them against each other and all I can say is that the accuracy is unbelievable.
We both prefer Quik-Shok .22 ammo for them by far. However, there is other ammo that can do well. As a rule the most powerful ammo you can get is the best with the TPH as it likes a ultra-high-velocity round. We plan to test some of the low velocity super heavy stuff but we have not so far. We've found the Quik-Shoks to be the most accurate, most reliable and most powerful by far, in our four TPHs.
The more you shoot them the better they get and the better YOU get as well.
I will tell you this. I went hunting ground hogs with mine and my brother had a rifle. I got ground hogs and he didn't. It was MOSTLY luck. My longest shot was about 80 yards.
Another time when my kids were in the car, I hit a ground hog in the head from about 90 yards, from the car, while I was in our yard at the farm. That WAS mostly luck as well. Those where with Stingers before we found out about Quik-Shok. We don't use Stingers since we found Quik-Shok.
Practice enough and you can go squirrel hunting with one. Practice, practice, practice. My son's gun, which I put perhaps 40,000 round through before I gave it to him 10 years ago or more, is the most accurate and has the best trigger. He's probably put another 50,000 rounds through it.
Jody Hudson
New member
TPH .22
Makarov
Glock
Smith & Wesson licensed Walther model 41 in .22
H&K
Thompson
all the rest...
in about that order are my favorites.
Reason; I love accuracy, dependability in that order and I love guns that are more than they seem.
Makarov
Glock
Smith & Wesson licensed Walther model 41 in .22
H&K
Thompson
all the rest...
in about that order are my favorites.
Reason; I love accuracy, dependability in that order and I love guns that are more than they seem.
slickpuppy
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Earls Repair Service can provide parts I'm sure. They have been importing Walthers for years, as well as providing service.
Jody Hudson
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When I last called Earl's they will NOT handle TPH repairs and have no parts.
I no longer have the phone number and the e-mail was very slow.
Perhaps someone here could check as Earl's would be a great place for repairs if they would fix the little TPHs.
Someone please check Earl's for us.
I no longer have the phone number and the e-mail was very slow.
Perhaps someone here could check as Earl's would be a great place for repairs if they would fix the little TPHs.
Someone please check Earl's for us.