German made PPKs

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johnwilliamson062

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I am going to sell my Interarms era PPK in 380 and get an older model German PPK in 22lr if the price is close. My question is, what are the markings/import houses that handled the old German PPKs in 22lr. I do not want a new one.

If I can't swing it for almost the same price I will go with a Bersa clone. They seem reasonably nice. I could put the price difference into another fun 22lr.
 
+1; the price will most likely NOT be close unless you stumble upon a seller who knows not what he has.

To directly answer the question, post-war rimfire PPK's are relatively more likely to carry French St. Ettienne proofs than centerfire models, but they are also found with Ulm proofs. Zella-Mehlis .22lr PPK's exist, but wartime examples are rare and expensive, and prewar commercial examples are even more so. AFAIK the pistol was never made in the United States in .22lr but I've been wrong before. :)
 
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In the late 70s I ran across a very nice pre '68 PPK in .22 with box/docs/test target. No import marks. I traded a lightly fired Mini-14, factory twenty-round mag and $200 for it. At the time Minis were popular and that $200 was late 70s dollars. Sold it a few years later at a profit. They're still not cheap.
 
I think I have made a mistake in qualifying what I wish to purchase.
I am looking for a 22lr PPk that is of higher quality than those currently produced. My interarms rolled PPK in 380 has acceptable fit, finish, and function to meet my desire. My impression was these were mostly German made guns with some games played to be imported. I might be wrong there. I have not looked it up to be honest. Took someones word for it.
A PPK in 22lr with similar fit, finish, and function to my 380 would be fine.

My only problem with it is that it sits in the safe. I will shoot a 22lr PPK until it is all sloppy and loose.

I haven't seen many finished auctions yet, but some older all steel guns seem to be finishing within a hundred or hundred and a half of what I expect to get for my 380. A few that haven't finished are a few hundred below.
 
I believe what you've been seeing is the PPKs, not PPK. Unless something has changed in the law, a PPK cannot be imported. The PPKs was a "get around" that came out after the 1968 import restrictions were implimented. The PPKs is essentially a PPK slide on a PP frame. The PPK's that are commonly for sale are domestic manufacture. A true, German/French PPK in .22 is a rare bird on the American market.
 
One more thing. The PPK has a shorter grip than the PPKs (hence the restriction) and the backstrap is part of the plastic stock unlike the PPKs.
 
The Walther PP in rimfire preceded the PPK in production and is also more commonly found than a real PPK. The various Manurhin and Walther, Ulm marked PP in .22 l.r. usually start around $600 to $800. The PPk/S is sold for the same PPK usually demand a little more money.

I have a very early .22 l.r. PP made in Zella Mehlis that has the nice commercial finish and is worth about twice the money of post-war specimens in equal condition. It is a very accurate gun and I have shot thousands of rounds of standard velocity ammo through it.
 
Yes, I think I want a PPKs.
The PPKs grip length is pretty nice for me.
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You should find one starting at $800 with a little searching. When and where exactly was your Interarms PPK in .380 made? In general they do not really bring a lot of money, nowhere close to a rimfire PPK. The Bersa might be your easiest way.
 
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My only problem with it is that it sits in the safe. I will shoot a 22lr PPK until it is all sloppy and loose.
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Just as a footnote, be aware that good spare PP-series rimfire magazines are notoriously hard to find, and resultantly expensive.

Mags for the currently sold .22LR Umarex PPK/S-lookalike thingy don't work in the older pistols. :(
 
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Just as a footnote, be aware that good spare PP-series rimfire magazines are notoriously hard to find, and resultantly expensive.
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No kidding! But compared to Hämmerli 208 mags, PP mags are cheap and easy to find. Swiss P210 mags are even worse.


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^^^ johnwilliamson062, what's the deal with your opinion of the looks of the PP? You can't tell me that pistol isn't pretty. :p

PzGren, is that the Zella-Mehlis .22LR PP? Sights don't look the same as the ones I've seen.
 
Unless there is some reason to really want a PPK, you might have better luck finding a PP in .22. The best are the pre-war ones, but of course those will also cost the most.

Jim
 
James K Unless there is some reason to really want a PPK, you might have better luck finding a PP in .22. The best are the pre-war ones, but of course those will also cost the most.
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No kidding. I have not seen any pre-war PP in .22 l.r. under $1,000. Mine is one of the earliest rimfire PP's made in Zella-Mehlis.


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I have one, 1084xxP, with full target stocks and one of the nicest triggers I have ever had on any auto, even an Olympic. It is about 97%; I have no idea what it is worth, as I have no desire to sell it.

Jim
 
So, I finally got around to selling it. Along the way I found out it wasa S&W, not an interarms as I was told,but that actually resulted in a higher sale price. So, now I am looking hard for a 22lr replacement. What Have I come up with? I think I will be purchasing a FEG 22lr clone. From what I have read they are great shooters and the closest in design and parts compatibility.
I've long thought about a FEG Hipower and never pulled the trigger on the purchase. May help me make up my mind ether way.
 
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