this is for those of you who always reply"what, do you think a gang of guys is going to come after you in your home". Here's a good example of keeping an assault rifle in the house:http://www.local6.com/news/5070854/detail.html
Gang of 6 kills mother!
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Wildalaska
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Especially if you are into things ya shouldnt be into...think that one is just a random home invasion?
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DAVID NANCARROW
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Does not sound to me like a random home invasion. "Where is the location of the safe" is a big tipoff. Unless this is a case of the "ESP Banditos", I'd say they knew of the safe and wanted what was in it.
DAVID NANCARROW
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Not mentioned in the article, but you would be surprised as to how much some people run off at the mouth about their safes, security and such.
I worked for Brinks Home Security customer service some time ago, and more than once had a new customer calling in complaining that their system could be compromised at the alarm panel. My eventual question is "why are you telling ANYONE where your panel is in the first place?? Doh!
Cover and concealment go a long ways in preventing theft of your goodies, and this story well illustrates why a loaded 45ACP sits next to me as I type! Nope-not to stop the bad guys, but to give me a few seconds to get to the 12 gauge and 911.
I worked for Brinks Home Security customer service some time ago, and more than once had a new customer calling in complaining that their system could be compromised at the alarm panel. My eventual question is "why are you telling ANYONE where your panel is in the first place?? Doh!
Cover and concealment go a long ways in preventing theft of your goodies, and this story well illustrates why a loaded 45ACP sits next to me as I type! Nope-not to stop the bad guys, but to give me a few seconds to get to the 12 gauge and 911.
N.H. Yankee
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Looking at the home it doesn't look like the type of place where there would be wealth. this makes one wonder if there is more to the story, though more than one person has been killed for less than $50.00. I hope if these remorse bankrupt pukes try again they get the business end of justice by an armed homeowner.
psycho nut
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People make me sick, who shoots someone in front of there kid, let alone period.
I don't have an upscale house and I have a safe. If I get robbed and my wife gets shot, are Wild alaska and others going to sit around speculating about what I was doing to bring it on myself?
Some of these guys who haven't been in the country long don't seem to trust banks. I guess banks in third world countries aren't as reputable as ours are. We had an old guatemalan guy at the nursery who bought a Toyota pickup with $7000 cash he had stashed somewhere in the trailer he lived in.
I wouldn't doubt there may have been a safe at the house that was invaded. And that it may have been known to a friend or someone who used to live there, and word got out to somebody who thought they needed the contents more than the family who lived there.
I'm not saying it's not possible these people were into something illegal, I'm saying why speculate until the rest of the story comes out?
Some of these guys who haven't been in the country long don't seem to trust banks. I guess banks in third world countries aren't as reputable as ours are. We had an old guatemalan guy at the nursery who bought a Toyota pickup with $7000 cash he had stashed somewhere in the trailer he lived in.
I wouldn't doubt there may have been a safe at the house that was invaded. And that it may have been known to a friend or someone who used to live there, and word got out to somebody who thought they needed the contents more than the family who lived there.
I'm not saying it's not possible these people were into something illegal, I'm saying why speculate until the rest of the story comes out?
Yeah, I'm hesitant about making assumptions about the situation.
My safe is in my office, which is a converted porch on the side of my house. There are 5 floor-to-ceiling windows in the room, and since I live on a farm, and people are in & out all the time, I'm sure there are people all around my little town wondering what kinds of goodies I've got in the safe.
BTW, I'm one of the "assault-rifle-is-beside-me-on-the-couch" people, and I don't consider myself paranoid. There are people in this town who absolutely hate my family (we own quite a bit of land in the county). Barns get burned. People get shot. It happens. I don't think it's wise to scoff & turn your back on the gutter. That kind of denial gets people killed.
My safe is in my office, which is a converted porch on the side of my house. There are 5 floor-to-ceiling windows in the room, and since I live on a farm, and people are in & out all the time, I'm sure there are people all around my little town wondering what kinds of goodies I've got in the safe.
BTW, I'm one of the "assault-rifle-is-beside-me-on-the-couch" people, and I don't consider myself paranoid. There are people in this town who absolutely hate my family (we own quite a bit of land in the county). Barns get burned. People get shot. It happens. I don't think it's wise to scoff & turn your back on the gutter. That kind of denial gets people killed.
Wildalaska
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its as much speculation as the concept that they were just innocent folks getting victimized by random home invasions...
WildandweallknowhowstatisticallyimprobablethatisAlaska
Doesn't sound at all random to me- those folks were looking for something. What it was and where it came from, I don't know. Nor do I know for sure if they had the 'right house-' the SWAT guys mess up often enough, no reason to assume the bad guys can't make a mistake too.
One thing I do know for sure, if anything goes badly sideways around here we are pretty much on our own for up to a half hour or so. Local LEOs are few and far between and likely a long way away, no neighbors really close by either. So we both carry at home and outside all the time, and there are three loaded 870s and an AR that live outside the safe, tucked into hidey holes when we are home (they get locked up when we leave save for the 870 that goes along in the car). No way we will get separated from a long gun if we need one.
Call it paranoid if you want, stuff happens everywhere and Murphy never sleeps. No different in my mind from having a hundred feet or more of hose at every faucet outside and having a fire extinguisher at both ends of the kitchen.
lpl/nc
One thing I do know for sure, if anything goes badly sideways around here we are pretty much on our own for up to a half hour or so. Local LEOs are few and far between and likely a long way away, no neighbors really close by either. So we both carry at home and outside all the time, and there are three loaded 870s and an AR that live outside the safe, tucked into hidey holes when we are home (they get locked up when we leave save for the 870 that goes along in the car). No way we will get separated from a long gun if we need one.
Call it paranoid if you want, stuff happens everywhere and Murphy never sleeps. No different in my mind from having a hundred feet or more of hose at every faucet outside and having a fire extinguisher at both ends of the kitchen.
lpl/nc
Rich Lucibella
Staff
Does it matter if it was random or targeted? A drug dealer or an art dealer?
Murder is kinda over the top to dismiss because the victim may have been involved in activities we don't appreciate.
We're the first to decry excessive force by cops....do we simply dismiss excessive violents by violent felons?
Rich
Murder is kinda over the top to dismiss because the victim may have been involved in activities we don't appreciate.
We're the first to decry excessive force by cops....do we simply dismiss excessive violents by violent felons?
Rich
Murder is murder!
I don't think the woman had anything to do with the safe, nor should it matter. It is a scenario like in the more graphic movies you see; as a "punishment" for not cooperating, the other person was shot. It's high time we fight back at all bad guys. I have seen many of those police surveillance t.v shows where the druggie, 100 time loser, goes into a liquor store with a brick or lead pipe and threatens the clerk, and then is in there for what seems like eternity, trying to smash open the register. If only someone could walk in there, or already be in there ala "Taxi Driver," or have more armed clerks, and shoot these pieces of work, we could start to take back society. I know, I know, we can't have a shoot out free-for-all, or have vigilantes, but in the cases where one could get a guaranteed hit, and lives "feel threatened" it might be well worth it!!
I don't think the woman had anything to do with the safe, nor should it matter. It is a scenario like in the more graphic movies you see; as a "punishment" for not cooperating, the other person was shot. It's high time we fight back at all bad guys. I have seen many of those police surveillance t.v shows where the druggie, 100 time loser, goes into a liquor store with a brick or lead pipe and threatens the clerk, and then is in there for what seems like eternity, trying to smash open the register. If only someone could walk in there, or already be in there ala "Taxi Driver," or have more armed clerks, and shoot these pieces of work, we could start to take back society. I know, I know, we can't have a shoot out free-for-all, or have vigilantes, but in the cases where one could get a guaranteed hit, and lives "feel threatened" it might be well worth it!!