most other places have it for $750 and above, cart price is $597
https://www.oldwillknottscales.com/and-fx-120i.html
https://www.oldwillknottscales.com/and-fx-120i.html
FX 120i $597.00
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if that price did not tempt enough, go to this page and put in the CAMBRIDGE code. Plus I am pretty sure the OldWillNot says they will do price matching
https://ce-products.myshopify.com/products/fx-120i-reloading-scale-122g-x-0-001g
seriously if I were into weighing bullets and cases and doing case volume stuff I would jump on one of these
https://ce-products.myshopify.com/products/fx-120i-reloading-scale-122g-x-0-001g
seriously if I were into weighing bullets and cases and doing case volume stuff I would jump on one of these
The deal last year via Cambridge and A&D with a $150 rebate off the the $500 price was the best I've seen. Keep monitoring. Wouldn't be surprised to see it again. That deal occurred in either January, February or March. I ordered mine in mid March, 2018.
That scale with the Auto Throw and Auto Trickler is a great system. Really fast and accurate. I've probably got $1000 tied up in my setup which includes the Auto Throw and Trickler plus Area 419 stuff. But really like the setup.
That scale with the Auto Throw and Auto Trickler is a great system. Really fast and accurate. I've probably got $1000 tied up in my setup which includes the Auto Throw and Trickler plus Area 419 stuff. But really like the setup.
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What are the on target results of this vs a $150-$300 Powder dispenser? Does anybody know of a study online somewhere?
There's plenty of studies online. Search for them. The increased speed and ease of use with the Fx-120i scale paired with the Auto Throw and Auto Trickler is worth the investment IMO. The Fx-120i also has a resolutions of .001. Does that matter? When shooting 600 yards or more yards, yes it can make a difference. But more importantly, does it reduce my groups? Probably not. But I like not having to second guess my scale and I like the speed and ease of use I get with it.
There's plenty of studies online. Search for them. The increased speed and ease of use with the Fx-120i scale paired with the Auto Throw and Auto Trickler is worth the investment IMO. The Fx-120i also has a resolutions of .001. Does that matter? When shooting 600 yards or more yards, yes it can make a difference. But more importantly, does it reduce my groups? Probably not. But I like not having to second guess my scale and I like the speed and ease of use I get with it.
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why is the effect of annealing unknown ? AMP has spent thousands of dollars having NDT labs produce pretty pictures of grain structures while ignoring that grain structure has nothing to do with elasticity. Yet they can't hire a respected shooter with a Labradar to do a statistically significant live fire test? That tells me all I need to know right here.
On neck turning are you aware that unless you are running a custom barrel with a tight neck that turning is not needed or beneficial ?
You found a nice node for your CM , we get it. If they ever have a chronograph match I am sure you will come in the top ten. You will need to step it up a bit to win though. There are posters on other forums bragging of having SD's of 1
On neck turning are you aware that unless you are running a custom barrel with a tight neck that turning is not needed or beneficial ?
You found a nice node for your CM , we get it. If they ever have a chronograph match I am sure you will come in the top ten. You will need to step it up a bit to win though. There are posters on other forums bragging of having SD's of 1
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my mistake I thought you were posting the chrono results on a thread about a good deal on a scale to show what great results you got from your chargemaster and annealer. My bad
But I have a question, why all the references to SD? Accuracy and even the precision of the scale has little or nothing to do with SD so why not start a thread on SD and how it is achieved. I will be glad to post some chronograph records and we can see what makes a difference and what does not
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Two videos testing the subject matter in question....
Video 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqO0iWXLQIg
Video 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqvbG2hzUgM
Video 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqO0iWXLQIg
Video 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqvbG2hzUgM
I have seen those before but rewatched them.
One thing that stands out for me is how the averages of all 50 shots compare. For the 6 X 47 Lapua the average charge weight varied from 37.54 to 37.64 yet the average velocity was within 4 FPS until you get to the Promethius which had a average charge weight of 37.6 and a velocity jump to 2957. That was a anomoly and I bet he changed something in his setup because his velocities were consistent just not following the curve. Anyway seems the guy has a nice .1 grain node at minimum. With that powder in taht cartridge I would bet it is even wider than that. Load to the middle and you can vary a half grain either way with a ES of 4.
Same thing as I been saying in this and other threads all you have to do is find a load that works in your rifle that has a .1 to .3 gn flat node and load to the middle and you are golden. That's what long range silhouette shooters have been doing since the 1970's
The other thing that stood out to me is the guy shooting the 6 X 47 has some excellent technique with that bipod and I want his job
@jugornot
Thanks for the math lesson and choice information. The second article seemed to indicate that sad was important, but much less of a factor than wind.
I’m really just thinking that it would be cool to have a developed load in a good rifle, shot at 600 or 1000 yds in same conditions, but have 5 groups done by manual scale and trickle, 5 by dispenser +/-0.1, and 5 by $500 scale. Then compare group size and vertical dispersion....maybe even 10-20 groups of each method....unfortunately, other factors will creep in if trying to shoot and compare more than 15 groups.
Thanks for the math lesson and choice information. The second article seemed to indicate that sad was important, but much less of a factor than wind.
I’m really just thinking that it would be cool to have a developed load in a good rifle, shot at 600 or 1000 yds in same conditions, but have 5 groups done by manual scale and trickle, 5 by dispenser +/-0.1, and 5 by $500 scale. Then compare group size and vertical dispersion....maybe even 10-20 groups of each method....unfortunately, other factors will creep in if trying to shoot and compare more than 15 groups.
two load tests one weighed on my RCBS chargemaster with .01gn resolution, the other on the $20 Chinese with .02 grain resolution.
with the 4831SC loading between 44.1 gns and 44.5 gns you have a 10FPS extreme spread on the averages, with the 4350 between 43.8gn and 44.2 gns there was a 10FPS also
notice how seating depths also affect the ES and SD? Primer choice and primer seating does the same.
If the only thing needed to get a low ES or SD was a super precise powder charge, then all anyone would need to do is drop 1500 on a Sartoius Entris, get some fine grained powder like TAC and measure to .0001 milligrams and you would have instant SD's of zero or one
In the meantime I get single digit SD's over .3 tenths of a grain and larger variences by doing simple load tests. I wonder if the pros would be happy with SD's lower than 5 and ES's below 10 ?
edit just timed my loading of 10 rounds and it took 5 minutes and 35 seconds to throw the powder for ten rounds plus or minus .02 grains using a throw and trickling up. About 40 seconds per round
with the 4831SC loading between 44.1 gns and 44.5 gns you have a 10FPS extreme spread on the averages, with the 4350 between 43.8gn and 44.2 gns there was a 10FPS also
notice how seating depths also affect the ES and SD? Primer choice and primer seating does the same.
If the only thing needed to get a low ES or SD was a super precise powder charge, then all anyone would need to do is drop 1500 on a Sartoius Entris, get some fine grained powder like TAC and measure to .0001 milligrams and you would have instant SD's of zero or one
In the meantime I get single digit SD's over .3 tenths of a grain and larger variences by doing simple load tests. I wonder if the pros would be happy with SD's lower than 5 and ES's below 10 ?
edit just timed my loading of 10 rounds and it took 5 minutes and 35 seconds to throw the powder for ten rounds plus or minus .02 grains using a throw and trickling up. About 40 seconds per round
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DAwg you are right but don't go far enough. Hold of the rifle, neck tension. The key is everything with consistency. But it has to be consistently good things. Lots of testing. One variable at a time.
There are tendencies to be found in the 2 videos.
PrometheusAuto-TricklerCharge MasterAuto ChargeHarrels
SD 4.67 3.23 7.29 9.62 11.48
6x47 3.63 3.48 4.11 4.82 3.76
SD 11.46 8.52 9.9 13.39 7.6
6.5C 8.78 7.48 6.54 9.76 5.41
The lower SDs tend to lead to lead to smaller height.
6x47 Prometheus Auto-Trickler Charge Master Auto Charge Harrels
SD charge 0.016 0.021 0.093 0.114 0.161
SD VELO 4.67 3.23 7.29 9.62 11.48
6.5CM
SD charge 0.02 0.016 0.076 0.055 0.147
SD VELO 11.47 8.52 9.9 12.39 7.6
Lower weight SDs tend toward lower velocity SDs. There are anomalies? Yes the curse of a small group size. As with most of these studies they prove nothing because of the small sample size. This leads to anomalies and bad conclusions. But the tendencies are there. I see what I believe in the numbers. But take what you will from the the test. I believe with 1000 shots the tendencies I see would be proven out.
What does this mean to the average reloader? Good news any difference is small. The powder drop came out best in one case. To the die hard long range reloder? The price of a really accurate dispenser fell from a $4300 lease to $900. What is your take?
There are tendencies to be found in the 2 videos.
PrometheusAuto-TricklerCharge MasterAuto ChargeHarrels
SD 4.67 3.23 7.29 9.62 11.48
6x47 3.63 3.48 4.11 4.82 3.76
SD 11.46 8.52 9.9 13.39 7.6
6.5C 8.78 7.48 6.54 9.76 5.41
The lower SDs tend to lead to lead to smaller height.
6x47 Prometheus Auto-Trickler Charge Master Auto Charge Harrels
SD charge 0.016 0.021 0.093 0.114 0.161
SD VELO 4.67 3.23 7.29 9.62 11.48
6.5CM
SD charge 0.02 0.016 0.076 0.055 0.147
SD VELO 11.47 8.52 9.9 12.39 7.6
Lower weight SDs tend toward lower velocity SDs. There are anomalies? Yes the curse of a small group size. As with most of these studies they prove nothing because of the small sample size. This leads to anomalies and bad conclusions. But the tendencies are there. I see what I believe in the numbers. But take what you will from the the test. I believe with 1000 shots the tendencies I see would be proven out.
What does this mean to the average reloader? Good news any difference is small. The powder drop came out best in one case. To the die hard long range reloder? The price of a really accurate dispenser fell from a $4300 lease to $900. What is your take?
Wind and range will always trump SD. Litz does a lot of WEZ studies that bear this out. I have some problem with WEZ studies as they eliminate variances between shooters. The way one shooter adjusts compared to another. I think live shooting more important than a simulation of a shooting.