redhawk44p
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Is this the future of handguns or can we win against the antis?
Future of Handguns
- Thread starter redhawk44p
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We CAN win, but we may not. Therefore, I plan to stockpile in this order (anticipated ban order, worst case scenario):
1. Imported "assault rifles"
2. Imported semi-auto pistols, esp. small ones
3. Domestic "assault rifles"
4. Domestic semi-auto pistols
5. Non-"assault rifle" semi-auto rifles.
6. "High-power sniper rifles" - bolt action(.50s, .338s, .300 mags, etc.)
7. Revolvers and other handguns
1. Imported "assault rifles"
2. Imported semi-auto pistols, esp. small ones
3. Domestic "assault rifles"
4. Domestic semi-auto pistols
5. Non-"assault rifle" semi-auto rifles.
6. "High-power sniper rifles" - bolt action(.50s, .338s, .300 mags, etc.)
7. Revolvers and other handguns
My opinion only...
We will lose in the end. We, as law-abiding gun owners, have pretty much lost every battle. Our side gives, the anti's take. I honestly don't see the situation improving in the future.
Buy while you can.
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We will lose in the end. We, as law-abiding gun owners, have pretty much lost every battle. Our side gives, the anti's take. I honestly don't see the situation improving in the future.
Buy while you can.
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BKs Pistol Pages
I live in Maryland, which is fast becoming one of the worst anti-gun states. There are currently 44 or so anti-gun bills in committee. I write and e-mail my representatives, as do others in various organizations I belong to. However, according to the NRA reps there are 50,000 members in MD. We don't see anywhere near that number of people willing to make the effort to speak out. Maybe 200-400 at an average gun show. We all need to voice our opinions and votes before guns are outlawed completely. I havn't given up hope yet, but it doesn't look real promising.
I believe we will win, but it will be a difficult fight.
Scenarios (note that none of these is a final endpoint; time keeps moving on and things will change and repeat):
1. An Emerson-like case makes it to the Supreme Court and they declare the 2nd Amendment means what it was plainly written to say.
1A. #1, but the SC allows for some limitations that must be narrowly limited, mostly covering items that are demonstrably not useful for militia purposes (whatever such items might be). Comparable to current state of free speech.
1B. #1, but the SC on a higher degree of militia connection. Say, you'd be allowed an M16, but not allowed to bring it into highly localized venues like courtroom, sporting events, or the boss' office.
1C. #1B, but with the added caveat that you're expected to train periodically. DCM (now CMP) program kicks into high gear, with monthly semi-obligitory attendance and real training on automatics.
2. #1B passes, and the Loon-In-Chief declares that everyone will be assigned (and limited to) a Thompson Contender and must show up for training once a month. Miss your training, an you're deemed uninterested/unworthy and must go thru red tape to reacquire your single-shot Contender.
3. Boiled frog: as we're doing now. Gun ownership remains legal, but gets shamed and hassled into non-existance. A very slow process where we go quietly into the night...with a few people going nuts and being made bad examples of.
4. Prohibition, Part II: Banned Steel. NYC-like bans are declared (you still have the "right" in theory but not in fact). Things get bad, and the gov't relents.
5. The worst case happens, and the 2nd takes care of itself.
Scenarios (note that none of these is a final endpoint; time keeps moving on and things will change and repeat):
1. An Emerson-like case makes it to the Supreme Court and they declare the 2nd Amendment means what it was plainly written to say.
1A. #1, but the SC allows for some limitations that must be narrowly limited, mostly covering items that are demonstrably not useful for militia purposes (whatever such items might be). Comparable to current state of free speech.
1B. #1, but the SC on a higher degree of militia connection. Say, you'd be allowed an M16, but not allowed to bring it into highly localized venues like courtroom, sporting events, or the boss' office.
1C. #1B, but with the added caveat that you're expected to train periodically. DCM (now CMP) program kicks into high gear, with monthly semi-obligitory attendance and real training on automatics.
2. #1B passes, and the Loon-In-Chief declares that everyone will be assigned (and limited to) a Thompson Contender and must show up for training once a month. Miss your training, an you're deemed uninterested/unworthy and must go thru red tape to reacquire your single-shot Contender.
3. Boiled frog: as we're doing now. Gun ownership remains legal, but gets shamed and hassled into non-existance. A very slow process where we go quietly into the night...with a few people going nuts and being made bad examples of.
4. Prohibition, Part II: Banned Steel. NYC-like bans are declared (you still have the "right" in theory but not in fact). Things get bad, and the gov't relents.
5. The worst case happens, and the 2nd takes care of itself.
At the Federal level, I think a lot hinges on Supreme Court decisions over the next 5 to 8 years. At the state level, I believe our right to own and shoot handguns is going to become even more dramatically dependent on the state we live in. The populations in certain states seem determined to actively, or passively, support the "Handgun Control" agenda. In other states, particularly ones with strong CCW laws and sentiments, I think we'll be under pressure but still in relatively okay shape for some time to come. Regards, Dennis
"The American President" was on last night... and talk about sending an anti-gun message. The "president" said he wants to pass a bill that totally outlawed handguns and assault weapons and that he would go door-to-door to collect them if he had to.
It's too bad. I'm totally turned off by those sorts of movies.
Would you do America a favor if Bill came knocking at your door?
Ben
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It's too bad. I'm totally turned off by those sorts of movies.
Would you do America a favor if Bill came knocking at your door?
Ben
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AOL IM: BenK911
ICQ # 53788523
"Gun Control Is Being Able To Hit Your Target"
The absolute biggest problem that we have is that only a few of us are willing to do what it takes to save the second amendment.
I'm sure that alot of the members of TFL are not a member of the NRA. Many hunters in my area are not members because they don't own handguns. " they aren't gonna get my 1100 Rem". Well, that is true... for now. Many gun owners still belive that the feds. are going to come around door to door collecting all guns. These people highly underestimate our opponents. We are facing the old " divide and conqure" technique. First, all high cap. mags. are taken away ( fewer handgunners), then "assault rifles" ( not your hunting guns, right?) It keeps going and going until all guns are gone. And few people are doing anything about it. The only way to win this war is to recruit every gun owner we can to join the NRA and make our voice heard! We are kind of like football fans for a losing team, We are all here, we just aren't making any NOISE! I REFUSE to give up my guns, some of them come down from my great grandfather. I REFUSE to be a victim of violent crime at home, or on the streets. And I REFUSE to "hide" my guns from the government! You can take that how you want to. Bottom line is that non Pro-gun supporters are hurting us as much as the antis. I think that EVERY gunsmith, and EVERY gun dealer should give a discount to NRA members or charge non-members more! You are either with us or against us. Time to decide!
CJB
I'm sure that alot of the members of TFL are not a member of the NRA. Many hunters in my area are not members because they don't own handguns. " they aren't gonna get my 1100 Rem". Well, that is true... for now. Many gun owners still belive that the feds. are going to come around door to door collecting all guns. These people highly underestimate our opponents. We are facing the old " divide and conqure" technique. First, all high cap. mags. are taken away ( fewer handgunners), then "assault rifles" ( not your hunting guns, right?) It keeps going and going until all guns are gone. And few people are doing anything about it. The only way to win this war is to recruit every gun owner we can to join the NRA and make our voice heard! We are kind of like football fans for a losing team, We are all here, we just aren't making any NOISE! I REFUSE to give up my guns, some of them come down from my great grandfather. I REFUSE to be a victim of violent crime at home, or on the streets. And I REFUSE to "hide" my guns from the government! You can take that how you want to. Bottom line is that non Pro-gun supporters are hurting us as much as the antis. I think that EVERY gunsmith, and EVERY gun dealer should give a discount to NRA members or charge non-members more! You are either with us or against us. Time to decide!
CJB
REast,
At this point it still is a matter of speculation, but we won't have to wait too much longer.
During the next 4-5 years (or the first term of the next Prez), it'll be plainly obvious to everyone exactly which way the pendulum is swinging.
I think the Antis will get greedy.
'Chipping away a little at a time' won't be good enough.
A couple of states to keep an eye on: Kalifornia (duh!) and Hawaii.
I hope I'm wrong...
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...defend the 2nd., it protects us all.
No fate but what we make...
At this point it still is a matter of speculation, but we won't have to wait too much longer.
During the next 4-5 years (or the first term of the next Prez), it'll be plainly obvious to everyone exactly which way the pendulum is swinging.
I think the Antis will get greedy.
'Chipping away a little at a time' won't be good enough.
A couple of states to keep an eye on: Kalifornia (duh!) and Hawaii.
I hope I'm wrong...
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...defend the 2nd., it protects us all.
No fate but what we make...
I fear that the time will come when those brave few of us will have to make the same hard choices that George Washington, Patrick Henry, James Madison,Thomas Jefferson, and the rest of the founding fathers made some 200 years ago!!!!
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Just as there is no such thing as too much fun,
there is no such thing as owning just one gun!!!
Off my meds (quit smoking), armed to the teeth, and loose on an unsuspecting society!!!
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Just as there is no such thing as too much fun,
there is no such thing as owning just one gun!!!
Off my meds (quit smoking), armed to the teeth, and loose on an unsuspecting society!!!
jeffelkins
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Luckily, my wife loves guns 
We're on a buying spree because we both believe that the feds will outlaw purchases within the next five years. For each weapon we have bought, we have 1K of ammo stockpiled.
It's getting very close to 'time to feed the pigs'
We're on a buying spree because we both believe that the feds will outlaw purchases within the next five years. For each weapon we have bought, we have 1K of ammo stockpiled.
It's getting very close to 'time to feed the pigs'
jeffelkins: I got off to the same start. Last spring a rumor was floating that Klinton was going to try registering ammo, so I bought enough powder and primers for 10,000 rounds of each of the calibers I shoot most often.
The downside (or upside) was that I wound up shooting just about all of my pistol powder and primers!
Dick
The downside (or upside) was that I wound up shooting just about all of my pistol powder and primers!
Dick
ellsworthtoohey
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I think the situation is very hopeful. In recent years, more states than ever are allowing individuals to carry weapons for self defense. Also, there is the Emerson case in Texas which, trough textual analysis, along with others, proves that the 2nd is an individual right rather than a collective right(translate government right).
I think the situation is better than it has been in 40 or 50 years; and looking better! Now, however, is not the time to sit around and savor victory. It's time to work even harder.
You know what they say about eternal vigalence and the price of liberty!
I think the situation is better than it has been in 40 or 50 years; and looking better! Now, however, is not the time to sit around and savor victory. It's time to work even harder.
You know what they say about eternal vigalence and the price of liberty!