FTF Selling Advice: What do you do when selling? NC

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bp78

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I’d like to sell an HK USP that I own but am concerned about how to do so legally to the letter of the law. Is saving $100 or so dollars over what I’d net on consignment or trade worth the risk, trouble, and paperwork? As a North Carolina resident, I believe that all I need is a copy of their CCP and Drivers license with matching address or a signed paper permit in lieu of the CCP copy. Some questions I have that the forum might be able to address:

1) Is the permit copy valid if they obscure their SSN on the carry permit? I personally wouldn’t give out my SSN to anyone I didn’t have to.

2) Where do you normally meet to show and/or close the transaction? For most internet stuff I’ve sold locally we’ve just met people in a mall parking lot or somewhere convenient, I’d be inclined to close the deal at their residence just for that much more assurance that the CCP address is valid.

3) Do you require them to sign any sort of additional waiver?

4) Require a second photo id or anything beyond what the law requires?

5) Any nice way of saying those that look criminally-inclined need not inquire? There’s no way I’m going to sell a handgun to someone with thug-life tats or something of that nature.

6) How do you retain this information? Are there record retention requirements for keeping the paperwork.?

Thanks for the help. –bp78
 
Contact the County Sheriff's office in the county in which you reside ,they will tell you the requirements for FTF in your jurisdiction. Regards 18DAI.
 
You need a permit to buy FTF in NC? I doubt that.


Except in the oppressive states (CA, MA, NY), usually all you need to do is be satisfied that they are residents of your state, are old enough to buy a gun and have no other legal reason they cannot own one.

A question satisfies that, looking at a driver's license goes further.
 
Thanks for the advice on calling the Sherrif's office.
Seems I might be a bit overly concerned about selling, I would have guessed that more people would have at least a liability waiver signed.

The last gun I bought from a local shop had me sign three forms in addition to the normal form.
 
First, let me say that I probably go overboard, but I like to cover my assets.

I would draw up a bill of sale, make two photocopies of it along with buyer's and seller's drivers licenses and CCW or paper permit, then manually sign both copies of the bill of sale, with one going to the buyer and the other to the seller.

And if the buyer shows up with a paper permit, be sure to keep it.


BTW, if a person has a CCW or a paper permit, what characteristics would make them look criminally inclined?
 
I realize the "looking criminally-inclined" might come off as entirely un-PC. But I wouldn't sell my pistol to someone who openly wore gang-colors, or had tattos referencing any part of drug-dealing, mob, or gang culture regardless of how legit their permit was. My gun, my rules apply.
 
Handy said:
You need a permit to buy FTF in NC? I doubt that.
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Doubt all you want, but NC law requires a permit to purchase (PTP) be obtained from the Sheriff of your county of residence prior to any handgun purchase. A recent exemption was created for those possesing a valid NC CCW.
Permits usually cost $5, although there was one eastern NC county that charged $20/permit for a number of years. However, even they dropped it to $5 a few years ago.
In answer to the original question, I believe you are within the letter of the law if you check the driver's license and either the CCW or the PTP. If you want to prove down the road that you did so, you may want to hang on to the PTP or a copy of the CCW. Since there is no requirement that you keep a copy of the CCW, it will be fine if the SSN has been obscured. I've never seen a PTP with a SSN on it.
 
Here is a bit of clarification from the website of the North Carolina Rifle & Pistol Association, particularly regarding the seller's retention of the PPP.
Q: I want to buy a handgun from a friend. Do I need to get any sort of permit to buy it?

A: Yes. All handgun transfers in North Carolina, whether through a dealer or via private sale, or presented as a gift, require that the intended recipient of the handgun obtain a Pistol Purchase Permit from his/her local Sheriff. You must go to your Sheriff, apply for a Pistol Purchase Permit (one per handgun you wish to purchase), and pay a $5 fee. When you take possession of the handgun you must present the Permit to the seller, who is required to retain it forever. If a Pistol Purchase Permit is not presented, both the buyer and the seller can be convicted of a Class I Misdemeanor.

As of 8/10/04 a new law was enacted, which permits someone with a valid North Carolina Concealed Handgun Permit to purchase a pistol without the need to obtain a Pistol Purchase Permit.
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present the Permit to the seller, who is required to retain it forever. If a Pistol Purchase Permit is not presented, both the buyer and the seller can be convicted of a Class I Misdemeanor.
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That's basically the jest what prompted me to post this thread. Would I also be required to retain the CCP copy *forever*.

And if I lose said documentation, and can't prove I had it when the question arises, then the misdemeanor sticks?
 
Good question... The probability that a gun you sell is going to be misued and prompt the police to trace it back to you is probably very, very small. Even if that unlikely event occurs, you should have the proper documentation unless you have been very careless (shame on you) or an unlikely event (house fire?) has destroyed the documentation. At any rate, your last question goes beyond my meager research ability and into serious ask-a-lawyer territory.
 
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